White Family Beaten for being in Black Neighborhood

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White Family Beaten for being in Black Neighborhood

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I looked through the Crime Blotter and hadn't seen anyone post this yet:
http://www.wafb.com/story/22240991/fami ... ighborhood" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Stubbs said a man wearing a pink shirt was in line trying to pay for gas when Donald Dickerson, 41, started making fun of him, leading to an argument.

"The defendant (Dickerson) approached the white male victim," the police report stated.

It went on to read, "the defendant told him he was in the wrong neighborhood and he was not going to make it out." The victim said that's when he "was punched and knocked to the ground."

At this time, his wife got out of the car and ran to help her husband. The victim said, "he continued to struggle with the defendant and was eventually knocked unconscious, which later he awoke in the hospital."

His wife told police, "after running to help her husband, she remembers falling to the ground and (being) knocked unconscious."

According to a close family friend, that's when the couple's teenage daughter got out of the car to check on her parents and, "observed a female punch her mother in the face, when her mother then fell to the concrete, hitting her head on the surface."

The daughter was also punched in the face.

Always carry, everywhere. You never know when you're going to be out of gas and in the wrong part of town. Another story to add to the list when people ask me "why do you carry? are you expecting trouble?"

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You would be George Zimmerman and his wife, in jail, but alive.

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philip964 wrote:You would be George Zimmerman and his wife, in jail, but alive.
The main difference would be the copious amount of cameras that most service stations have in place would have hopefully captured the incident. It looks like all the witnesses indicate the suspect was the agitator, but I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident? Why would you even say ANYTHING back to some punk who is trying to agitate you? Especially in a neighborhood like that?

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knotquiteawake wrote:
philip964 wrote:You would be George Zimmerman and his wife, in jail, but alive.
The main difference would be the copious amount of cameras that most service stations have in place would have hopefully captured the incident. It looks like all the witnesses indicate the suspect was the agitator, but I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident? Why would you even say ANYTHING back to some punk who is trying to agitate you? Especially in a neighborhood like that?
Why are you assuming the victim did something to escalate? Blaming the victim?

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Redneck_Buddha wrote:
knotquiteawake wrote:
philip964 wrote:You would be George Zimmerman and his wife, in jail, but alive.
The main difference would be the copious amount of cameras that most service stations have in place would have hopefully captured the incident. It looks like all the witnesses indicate the suspect was the agitator, but I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident? Why would you even say ANYTHING back to some punk who is trying to agitate you? Especially in a neighborhood like that?
Why are you assuming the victim did something to escalate? Blaming the victim?
Calm yourself :mrgreen: . I am not assuming he did anything. I said "I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident". Because the article says
Stubbs said a man wearing a pink shirt was in line trying to pay for gas when Donald Dickerson, 41, started making fun of him, leading to an argument.
Use of the word "argument" implies a back and forth type of deal. Can you see how it is possible that when being made fun of that some people might have said rude things back to the agitator, therefore further escalating the situation? In coming from a CHL holder's standpoint we all (most of us anyways) know that its better to try and de-escalate situations as often as possible so that it doesn't have to come down to any kind of violence. If it had come down to the use of a gun in this story then their exchange of words in the store would play an important role in the court case to prove he was justified in a use of a gun.
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Does it matter if words were exchanged? A man and woman were beat down. There is no justification for that, no matter what was said.

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John75 wrote:Does it matter if words were exchanged? A man and woman were beat down. There is no justification for that, no matter what was said.
Of course not... except for when it does. Like with the Travon Martin Case and others like it.

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knotquiteawake wrote:
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
knotquiteawake wrote:
philip964 wrote:You would be George Zimmerman and his wife, in jail, but alive.
The main difference would be the copious amount of cameras that most service stations have in place would have hopefully captured the incident. It looks like all the witnesses indicate the suspect was the agitator, but I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident? Why would you even say ANYTHING back to some punk who is trying to agitate you? Especially in a neighborhood like that?
Why are you assuming the victim did something to escalate? Blaming the victim?
Calm yourself :mrgreen: . I am not assuming he did anything. I said "I am curious as to what if any role the victim played in escalating the incident". Because the article says
Stubbs said a man wearing a pink shirt was in line trying to pay for gas when Donald Dickerson, 41, started making fun of him, leading to an argument.
Use of the word "argument" implies a back and forth type of deal. Can you see how it is possible that when being made fun of that some people might have said rude things back to the agitator, therefore further escalating the situation? In coming from a CHL holder's standpoint we all (most of us anyways) know that its better to try and de-escalate situations as often as possible so that it doesn't have to come down to any kind of violence. If it had come down to the use of a gun in this story then their exchange of words in the store would play an important role in the court case to prove he was justified in a use of a gun.
Yeah, but in media-speak "leading to an argument" could have been as simple as the victim asking to be left alone, that he wasn't trying to bother anyone and he'd be out of there as soon as he got his gas. It seems to me that the media often goes out of their way to cover for violent criminals.
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why do people seemed shocked by this. racisim is a 2 way street
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cheezit wrote:why do people seemed shocked by this. racisim is a 2 way street
Yes, but lately it seems all the traffic is moving the same direction.
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Jaguar wrote:
cheezit wrote:why do people seemed shocked by this. racisim is a 2 way street
Yes, but lately it seems all the traffic is moving the same direction.
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A friend of mine who has a blog and lives in the same city as the victims posted the following updates about this story :
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... ghborhood/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UPDATE: I’ve just learned that the family beaten for being white is from my town. The mom has breast cancer. The dad is still in the hospital, having his broken eye socket repaired.
UPDATE.2: Turns out my wife knows the mom in this family. “My God, she’s got cancer!” said my wife. “She’s bald! They beat up a bald cancer patient!”

Yes, because of her race.
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knotquiteawake wrote:A friend of mine who has a blog and lives in the same city as the victims posted the following updates about this story :
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... ghborhood/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UPDATE: I’ve just learned that the family beaten for being white is from my town. The mom has breast cancer. The dad is still in the hospital, having his broken eye socket repaired.
UPDATE.2: Turns out my wife knows the mom in this family. “My God, she’s got cancer!” said my wife. “She’s bald! They beat up a bald cancer patient!”

Yes, because of her race.
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I just want to throw something out there......and I'm a big fat white guy with white hair and white beard.....pretty hard to be any whiter than me unless you're albino....

The home I live in here in Texas is the second time I purchased a home. The first time was back in California, and I intentionally purchased a home in a nearly 100% black neighborhood in what is known locally there as "Northwest Pasadena." The reason I bought a home there was two-fold: 1) homes in that part of town were selling for less than the rest of Pasadena, and that was what I could afford; and 2) I've never had a problem living among my black brothers and sisters. Why would I? If one of them would have had a problem with it, well that's on them. But I never did. After I moved into the neighborhood, I learned that none of them did either. I had wonderful neighbors. Almost certainly most or all of them were lifelong democrats and didn't share my politics, but it didn't seem to matter in terms of quality of neighborhood. They were splendid people. Most of them had either built those homes and were elderly and still living in them, or their parents had built those homes and now the second generation is living in them. The neighborhood was developed in the mid to late 1940s, and the home owners were all black middle class families—many with government jobs (teachers, polstal workers, JPL employees), but of two of my neighbors across the street, one was a retired musician (a founding member of The Temptations' band), and the other owned a general contracting business. We bought our home as part of a probate sale. The seller, a black man, had been born in that house and lived in it all his life until he married and moved away. His parents were the builders. The man who built it was a JPL employee...I don't know what he did there, he might have been a janitor for all i know...but he had converted the entire garage into a giant faraday cage and was conducting his own electrical experiments out there. Obviously an intelligent man, if a little unorthodox. But these were all people who understood hard work and that it pays off, and that if you apply yourself to it, you can make a comfortable life for yourself.

Our neighborhood was a sort of buffer between the MUCH wealthier households, mostly white, in homes overlooking the Arroyo Seco and the Rose Bowl on one side, and the much harder pressed and problematic ghetto on the other side. The difference between my old neighborhood and the one in the OP's story is one of class (as in lack thereof) and the pressures of poverty and squalor. Those pressures are certainly self-imposed for a large part—because people buy into their victim status when society actually affords them ample opportunity to better themselves—but self imposed or not, it has less to do with race than it does with poverty. It happens that the local population in this story is black, but if you remove them from there, move them to my old neighborhood, and get them a livable income where they can learn that there is a whole lot more to life than the thug culture, and a large part of that racial animus disappears.

I am not suggesting that society owes these people anything at all. If they're unwilling to take advantage of opportunity to escape stewing in that kind of misery, then let them stew in it. But I am suggesting that—absent the poisonous effects of the democrat entitlement machine—black people are no more likely to be racist than pink people, and that lifestyle has a lot to do with whether or not people are bitter against those who they (wrongly) view as their oppressors. Factually, they oppress themselves, but admitting that and escaping it requires some changes of habits and though patterns, and most people trapped in that simply won't do it. Darwin was right in some regards........at least, that's my experience. But I hesitate to repeat the meme that blacks are more racist than whites, because it just isn't consistent with my own life experience. Does that racism exist? Yes, but it does cut both ways. We whites are sometimes just more sensitive to it because the goobermint empowers the black racists while crapping on everyone else, regardless of their color.
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TAM,
It sounds like the big difference in the neighborhood you are describing and the neighborhoods my family worked with the 20 years my Father pastored an inner city church in New Orleans is the presence of a male role model in the home. The entire time we were there I can remember one black family that had a father figure in the home and he was actually the grandfather as all of the adult fathers of the children in the home had either been killed or were in jail.
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jmra wrote:TAM,
It sounds like the big difference in the neighborhood you are describing and the neighborhoods my family worked with the 20 years my Father pastored an inner city church in New Orleans is the presence of a male role model in the home. The entire time we were there I can remember one black family that had a father figure in the home and he was actually the grandfather as all of the adult fathers of the children in the home had either been killed or were in jail.

I don't care what color you are, when you live in a society that lacks the key elements of a family that society is doomed.
Yes, you're right.......but the inner city neighborhoods like the ones you mention were just a few blocks away from where I lived, and the atmosphere in those neighborhoods was much more grim. Children didn't have parents; they had "baby-mommas" and "baby-daddies," and all of the dysfunctions one would expect came along with all that. But my point was basically that, to find the kind of racism that would lead to the beating of a bald female cancer patient, you have to go the poor areas. You wouldn't find that kind of reaction in a middle class black neighborhood.
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