Gun Bill Saturday - May 4th

[CJD]

For the two Senate bills that were submitted in lieu of the house bills, what does it mean "passed to third reading"?

[baldeagle]

For the two Senate bills that were submitted in lieu of the house bills, what does it mean "passed to third reading"?

Every bill in the House and Senate must be read three times before it is passed. The first reading is in committee. The second reading is on the floor of the chamber. That's when bills can be amended without any special rules. Bills can also be amended on third reading, but they must meet certain criteria. Once a bill passes the third reading it is engrossed. When it passes both chambers, it goes to the Governor for his signature or veto.

[CJD]

For the two Senate bills that were submitted in lieu of the house bills, what does it mean "passed to third reading"?

Every bill in the House and Senate must be read three times before it is passed. The first reading is in committee. The second reading is on the floor of the chamber. That's when bills can be amended without any special rules. Bills can also be amended on third reading, but they must meet certain criteria. Once a bill passes the third reading it is engrossed. When it passes both chambers, it goes to the Governor for his signature or veto.

Ok thanks!

[TexCHLFan]

several of you seem to be blaming the Republicans as a party....I'm sorry, but I'm blaming one man, and one man only, Strauss. He's why most of these bills aren't coming up for a vote.

They new he had held fundraisers for Democrats.

Please give the details; I'd love to have this for future use. Which Democrats, when and where for the fundraiser?

Chas.

I live in Central Texas and in 2010, we elected a conservative to represent our district of Hays County (and before redistricting, the district included Blanco county as well). Patrick Rose was a very liberal Democrat running for re-election, and Jason Isaac had decided to run for office in this district. Joe Straus had placed Patrick Rose (along with other liberal Democrats) in leadership positions on committee's in the 2009 session, and Rose was the chair of one of those committee's. Straus headlined a fundraiser for Rose (democrat) during the 2010 election cycle. Straus' support for Rose rankled the feathers, rightly so, of many conservatives in the district. During the 2010 campaign, the Hays County Republican leadership garnered a "promise" from Isaac that he would NOT vote for Straus for Speaker if he (Isaac) were elected. In his first term, Isaac voted "present" on the election of Straus.

Here are a few links to more details on this dust up. Straus has effectively swept this away over the last 2 years, but those of us in Hays County have NOT forgotten Straus betrayal.

http://www.texasgopvote.com/tags/patrick-rose" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://therightsideofaustin.wordpress.c ... rick-rose/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.texasinsider.org/texas%E2%80 ... nt-so-joe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... -gop.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hope this meets your needs, Charles. If you need more info, you can send me a PM and I can provide any additional info you might need.

[polekitty]

Anybody heard anything about SB 299? I know it made it to the house but i lost track of it after that.

Hope I'm doing this right. I think SB 299 is being considered in leiu of HB 1304 and was passed to third reading,
SB 299 ON SECOND READING
(Sheets, Fletcher, Fallon, Paddie, Isaac, et al. - House Sponsors)
SB 299, A bill to be entitled An Act relating to the intentional display of a
handgun by a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
SB 299 was considered in lieu of HB 1304.
SB 299 was passed to third reading.
If this posted wrong, sorry. I'm still learning.
Missed some,
HB 1304 - LAID ON THE TABLE SUBJECT TO CALL
Representative Sheets moved to lay HBi1304 on the table subject to call.
The motion prevailed.

[bigbang]

several of you seem to be blaming the Republicans as a party....I'm sorry, but I'm blaming one man, and one man only, Strauss. He's why most of these bills aren't coming up for a vote.

Last time I checked, Joe Strauss did not vote himself into the Speaker position. The REPUBILICAN majority did so. The Speaker of the Texas House is one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful positions in state government. The House Republicans put him there ...... AGAIN. They knew his record. They knew he had held fundraisers for Democrats. They knew he blocked conservative legislation, whether firearm friendly or otherwise good bills. His record was quite clear on how he ran his office. Yet the Republican house members voted him into the Speakership. Now - - tell me why we should only blame Strauss.

In the moment of truth, none of them voted against him being Speaker of the House again this year.

[M_Smith86]

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Anybody heard anything about SB 299? I know it made it to the house but i lost track of it after that.

Hope I'm doing this right. I think SB 299 is being considered in leiu of HB 1304 and was passed to third reading,
SB 299 ON SECOND READING
(Sheets, Fletcher, Fallon, Paddie, Isaac, et al. - House Sponsors)
SB 299, A bill to be entitled An Act relating to the intentional display of a
handgun by a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
SB 299 was considered in lieu of HB 1304.
SB 299 was passed to third reading.
If this posted wrong, sorry. I'm still learning.
Missed some,
HB 1304 - LAID ON THE TABLE SUBJECT TO CALL
Representative Sheets moved to lay HBi1304 on the table subject to call.
The motion prevailed.

What was so different between sb 299 and hb1304 anyway?

[SF18C]

GUN DAY!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2135881/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[baldeagle]

What was so different between sb 299 and hb1304 anyway?

You know you can look these up, right?

HB 1304

AN ACT
relating to the intentional display of a handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Sections 46.035(a) and (h), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that
the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed
the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been
justified in the use of [deadly] force under Chapter 9.
SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

SB 299

AN ACT
relating to the intentional display of a handgun by a person
licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Subsections (a) and (h), Section 46.035, Penal
Code, are amended to read as follows:
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun in plain
view of another person in a public place.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that
the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed
the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been
justified in the use of force or deadly force under Chapter 9.
SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only to
an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act. An
offense committed before the effective date of this Act is governed
by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed, and the
former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For purposes of
this section, an offense was committed before the effective date of
this Act if any element of the offense occurred before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

EDIT: Here's the differences between the two bills:
HB 1304 is represented by a minus sign
SB 299 is represented by a plus sign

-relating to the intentional display of a handgun.
+relating to the intentional display of a handgun by a person 
+licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

-       SECTION 1.  Sections 46.035(a) and (h), Penal Code, are
+       SECTION 1.  Subsections (a) and (h), Section 46.035, Penal
 
-amended to read as follows:
+Code, are amended to read as follows:

-and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun.
+and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun in plain 
+view of another person in a public place.

[RoyGBiv]

GUN DAY!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/2135881/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like it was mostly a good day.
Too bad about campus carry being watered down so badly.

[M_Smith86]

Thanks!

What was so different between sb 299 and hb1304 anyway?

You know you can look these up, right?

HB 1304

AN ACT
relating to the intentional display of a handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Sections 46.035(a) and (h), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that
the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed
the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been
justified in the use of [deadly] force under Chapter 9.
SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

SB 299

AN ACT
relating to the intentional display of a handgun by a person
licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Subsections (a) and (h), Section 46.035, Penal
Code, are amended to read as follows:
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun in plain
view of another person in a public place.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that
the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed
the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been
justified in the use of force or deadly force under Chapter 9.
SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only to
an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act. An
offense committed before the effective date of this Act is governed
by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed, and the
former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For purposes of
this section, an offense was committed before the effective date of
this Act if any element of the offense occurred before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2013.

EDIT: Here's the differences between the two bills:
HB 1304 is represented by a minus sign
SB 299 is represented by a plus sign

-relating to the intentional display of a handgun.
+relating to the intentional display of a handgun by a person 
+licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

-       SECTION 1.  Sections 46.035(a) and (h), Penal Code, are
+       SECTION 1.  Subsections (a) and (h), Section 46.035, Penal
 
-amended to read as follows:
+Code, are amended to read as follows:

-and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun.
+and intentionally displays [fails to conceal] the handgun in plain 
+view of another person in a public place.

[St1cky]

How is SB299 any better for us than 1304?? I see a few words added and nothing that sounds helpful. Basically if im out in public and I reach up and scratch my head and my shirt tail rises above my gun handle then I've still committed a crime. Anyone care to explain a scenario that shows how 299 is an improvement??

[jmra]

How is SB299 any better for us than 1304?? I see a few words added and nothing that sounds helpful. Basically if im out in public and I reach up and scratch my head and my shirt tail rises above my gun handle then I've still committed a crime. Anyone care to explain a scenario that shows how 299 is an improvement??

That is not a crime under current code (intentionally fails to conceal the handgun) nor would it be a crime under either of the proposed new codes.

[RPBrown]

What does "laid on the table subject to call" mean?

[baldeagle]

What does "laid on the table subject to call" mean?

Here's an explanation from Robert's Rules of Parliamentary Procedure. I'm not sure I understand it any better after reading it than I did before (which was not at all.)