Campus Carry -- Where Are We Now?

[J.R.@A&M]

""The intuitive answer is that the presence of concealed weapons will make us less competitive."

Oh, bull. No budding or experienced academic is going to turn down an otherwise good offer to UT because of campus carry. Are the Univ. of Chicago, or Columbia, or any host of other tier one schools uncompetitive because they happen to be located in crime ridden urban centers? Of course not. People take their chances and go for the places that will advance their careers.

[safety1]

""The intuitive answer is that the presence of concealed weapons will make us less competitive."

Oh, bull. No budding or experienced academic is going to turn down an otherwise good offer to UT because of campus carry. Are the Univ. of Chicago, or Columbia, or any host of other tier one schools uncompetitive because they happen to be located in crime ridden urban centers? Of course not. People take their chances and go for the places that will advance their careers.

[v7a]

McRaven: "Our universities won't be able to attract liberal anti-gun faculty from out of state"

Texas House:

[viking1000]

""The intuitive answer is that the presence of concealed weapons will make us less competitive."

Oh, bull. No budding or experienced academic is going to turn down an otherwise good offer to UT because of campus carry. Are the Univ. of Chicago, or Columbia, or any host of other tier one schools uncompetitive because they happen to be located in crime ridden urban centers? Of course not. People take their chances and go for the places that will advance their careers.

Correct ..I totally agree ..

[TexasJohnBoy]

McRaven: "Our universities won't be able to attract liberal anti-gun faculty from out of state"

Texas House:
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[Charles L. Cotton]

This isnt the Natuinal Inquirer. Take this stuff to OCT's Facebook page where it will sell.

Chas.

I'm not affiliated with OCT, I'm just exercising my first amendment rights, and you have a right to disbelieve all the evidence pouring in about Benghazi if YOU choose.

You have a right to any opinion you choose, but you don't have First Amendment rights on a private forum. Your tinfoil hat garbage will not be tolerated on the Forum. We are a great resource and you aren't going to damage our reputation. Now you get to either post under your real name, or not at all. Not one keyboard Rambo offered this option has yet chosen to post under his/her real name. Which do you choose?

Chas.

[eureka40]

BOOM

[J.R.@A&M]

Reposted from Chron.com comments on the McRaven article. (Edited to say I didn't mean to exclude younger, older, and/or female CHLs in my general characterization of our population).

What relevant experience does McRaven have with the defensive carrying of handguns by private citizens? Citizens who concealed carriers are middle aged, risk averse dudes who are into avoiding danger -- quite the opposite of Navy Seals, or law enforcement. Texas licensees have been successfully vetted for two decades (based on DPS criminal conviction data).

Campus carry poses no more risk than the longstanding policy of concealed carry in this State. As it is, the arbitrary restriction to legal concealed carry is at the door to campus buildings like the one I work in. Neither McRaven nor Acevedo nor the Whitman survivors nor the Va Tech survivors nor anybody else can say what my defensive situational needs might be in an extremely unlikely, but potentially catastrophic, act of violence in my building. I prefer to have the same choices inside the building that I currently have right outside the door.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Reposted from Chron.com comments on the McRaven article. (Edited to say I didn't mean to exclude younger, older, and/or female CHLs in my general characterization of our population).

What relevant experience does McRaven have with the defensive carrying of handguns by private citizens? Citizens who concealed carriers are middle aged, risk averse dudes who are into avoiding danger -- quite the opposite of Navy Seals, or law enforcement. Texas licensees have been successfully vetted for two decades (based on DPS criminal conviction data).

Campus carry poses no more risk than the longstanding policy of concealed carry in this State. As it is, the arbitrary restriction to legal concealed carry is at the door to campus buildings like the one I work in. Neither McRaven nor Acevedo nor the Whitman survivors nor the Va Tech survivors nor anybody else can say what my defensive situational needs might be in an extremely unlikely, but potentially catastrophic, act of violence in my building. I prefer to have the same choices inside the building that I currently have right outside the door.

Excellent.

Chas.

[Tracker]

In the committee and floor debates on open carry, not one democrat voice an opinion against conceal carry for the general public. The one's who did mention conceal carry when arguing against the open carry bills acknowledged they believed in the success of the conceal carry program, that the original fears had proved to be false.

Ooookay.....so if they believe the conceal carry program works off campus why would they oppose conceal carry on campus? What do they think is so different? If they believe it's not a good program to have on campus what do they expect to happen that's different from being out in the general population? What rational argument could they present against campus carry? What stats can they pull from states like Colorado, Utah, and Idaho to argue campus conceal carry isn't working in those states?

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[CJD]

In the committee and floor debates on open carry, not one democrat voice an opinion against conceal carry for the general public. The one's who did mention conceal carry when arguing against the open carry bills acknowledged they believed in the success of the conceal carry program, that the original fears had proved to be false.

Ooookay.....so if they believe the conceal carry program works off campus why would they oppose conceal carry on campus? What do they think is so different? If they believe it's not a good program to have on campus what do they expect to happen that's different from being out in the general population? What rational argument could they present against campus carry? What stats can they pull from states like Colorado, Utah, and Idaho to argue campus conceal carry isn't working in those states?

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Their constituency, and the votes.

[flintknapper]

In the committee and floor debates on open carry, not one democrat voice an opinion against conceal carry for the general public. The one's who did mention conceal carry when arguing against the open carry bills acknowledged they believed in the success of the conceal carry program, that the original fears had proved to be false.

Ooookay.....so if they believe the conceal carry program works off campus why would they oppose conceal carry on campus? What do they think is so different? If they believe it's not a good program to have on campus what do they expect to happen that's different from being out in the general population? What rational argument could they present against campus carry? What stats can they pull from states like Colorado, Utah, and Idaho to argue campus conceal carry isn't working in those states?

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^^^^^^^^^^ An excellent point Sir!

Sadly, it will fail to persuade Democrats (largely liberals)....since it is steeped in 'logic'.

Now...if you were to write something oozing with emotion (no matter whether true or not), you might get their attention. ;)

Flint.

[C-dub]

""The intuitive answer is that the presence of concealed weapons will make us less competitive."

Oh, bull. No budding or experienced academic is going to turn down an otherwise good offer to UT because of campus carry. Are the Univ. of Chicago, or Columbia, or any host of other tier one schools uncompetitive because they happen to be located in crime ridden urban centers? Of course not. People take their chances and go for the places that will advance their careers.

His intuition stinks.

[C-dub]

McRaven: "Our universities won't be able to attract liberal anti-gun faculty from out of state"

Texas House:
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Yup. I also see this as a plus.

[NEB]

The chancellor reaches pretty far if he assumes to speak for faculty at large. As a faculty member of a state university, I say phooey to him as I have patiently awaited the time when our legislators would quit sitting on their hands on this matter so that I can defend myself equally well at home, the community, and at work if ever pressed to do so. As to those phantom faculty members potentially moving in from other states, I say our university systems have enough issues without importing more folks with liber[al]ated and "free-thinking" minds who refuse to pass students who disagree with their narrow ideology. This is Texas. We should strive to raise self-reliant and responsible adults, not sheep. Stay in Bloomberg-ville and thank you very much.