HB 910 Conference Committee

[brucesw2]

Am I correct in assuming that the earliest a vote could be held would be 24 hours after the conference report was distributed in the House, so after 07:21pm tomorrow?

on the senate page it says 7;40 pm

[sugar land dave]

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Man this has been a roller coaster ride!

Yes sir, it sure has. I'm pretty much numb about it now. Won't get too up or down until the session ends or the Governor signs it.

Imagine how Charles feels after doing this for years!

[safety1]

Am I correct in assuming that the earliest a vote could be held would be 24 hours after the conference report was distributed in the House, so after 07:21pm tomorrow?

on the senate page it says 7;40 pm

So if this is the case, could we see them start an attempt at pushing things back tommrow in order
to try and get to Saturday. .. then maybe try for a marothon filibuster or is it out of reach?

[sugar land dave]

Didn't we just celebrate the passing of SB273? Isn't that a bill that merely reiterates current Texas law, but then adds a penalty because municipalities are ignoring that law with impunity?

Not really. There has never been a prohibition on governmental entities posting 30.06 signs; they were simply unenforceable. Now it is unlawful to do so.

Chas.

Can they get around that by allowing a lessor to post? What about allowing a civilian contractor to post?

[arthurcw]

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Man this has been a roller coaster ride!

Yes sir, it sure has. I'm pretty much numb about it now. Won't get too up or down until the session ends or the Governor signs it.

Imagine how Charles feels after doing this for years!

All I know is this is my 3rd Session and with each one I pay closer attention and learn more. I'm TRULY taken aback by this one. Maybe I didn't pay close enough attention last time. Maybe I wasn't as engaged. Or maybe, as I hope, this is one was just uglier and as Tea Partiers and Amateurs become vets, they'll be less like spoiled adolescents and more like the unhinged teens I expected.

On a positive note, the procedural workings were more prominent this time so I really learned how they can play silly buggers with these bills. Not that it's a positive thing, but I did learn a lot. Enough that I won't be ordering sausage for a while.

On a related note: Wouldn't it have been cool to have live video feeds when they carried sword canes and respect was something you did not lose?

[5.elements]

Didn't we just celebrate the passing of SB273? Isn't that a bill that merely reiterates current Texas law, but then adds a penalty because municipalities are ignoring that law with impunity?

Not really. There has never been a prohibition on governmental entities posting 30.06 signs; they were simply unenforceable. Now it is unlawful to do so.

Chas.

Can they get around that by allowing a lessor to post? What about allowing a civilian contractor to post?

It doesn't matter: the land is owned by the gov. which means they cannot post. Example: the long center in austin. The land is public land (owned by the city) but the building is owned by a company (not the city). They have a perpetual lease on the land and can build whatever they want but due to the way the laws are worded, they cannot post the sign (they now have a 51% sign due to the bar there for some reason... Still not sure that they make more than 51% on alcohol sales...)



I just want something to pass so that I don't have to be as worried about printing and summer comfort... While I would love to have the amendment to help keep cops from stopping me, I personally won't cause to much of a fuss if they do.

[Papa_Tiger]

I also like the suggestion I saw earlier that if he does insist you can't leave and must show your CHL; politely comply, get his name and badge number, and then the following day do a FOIA request on the report.

Every time it happens. It will be good fodder if the amendment comes up again.

I think this is probably the best response with the addition of making it 100% plain that you are complying under duress (it is a non-consensual encounter after all). When completing the FOIA request, also ask for any dispatch notes, 911 Calls, dash cam video and all other material related to the non-consensual encounter. It avoids antagonizing on the spot, shows that CHL holders are very reasonable people and also allows them to hoist themselves on their own petard.

If this happens often enough and enough complaints are filed at the local and state level, eventually officers and their leaders will get the hint and train accordingly.

[locke_n_load]

I also like the suggestion I saw earlier that if he does insist you can't leave and must show your CHL; politely comply, get his name and badge number, and then the following day do a FOIA request on the report.

Every time it happens. It will be good fodder if the amendment comes up again.

I think this is probably the best response with the addition of making it 100% plain that you are complying under duress (it is a non-consensual encounter after all). When completing the FOIA request, also ask for any dispatch notes, 911 Calls, dash cam video and all other material related to the non-consensual encounter. It avoids antagonizing on the spot, shows that CHL holders are very reasonable people and also allows them to hoist themselves on their own petard.

If this happens often enough and enough complaints are filed at the local and state level, eventually officers and their leaders will get the hint and train accordingly.

I'm in Houston, and I think the leading forces of HPD and Harris County would take complaints from OCers as badges of honor.

[sugar land dave]

I personally have never had a problem with Houston police.

[casp625]

So, I have a question now that it looks like we may get OC without the Huffines/Dutton.
I am walking down the street, pistol in a holster on my hip, I have a CHL and am Open Carrying, and just walking, minding my own business. Can a cop come up and ask for my license? Would I legally have to give it to him? Can I tell him no, that I have a CHL but don't wish to give it to him, that it's included in the 4th amendment? I know that the penal code says that I must produce my license if I am concealed carrying, just wondering how all this would go with OC.
Thanks.

I would ask the officer politely if I am violating any laws, and if not, I would ask can I now leave? that is all I would say, over and over. Video will be good to have. We know it will happen. I think if it happens often, lawsuits will remedy the issue. If courts don't rule in the favor of the person carrying the gun, then there is the answer. Cops can do what you are hypothetically proposing.

All the LE entities that opposed the amendment act like police couldn't conduct consensual stops. I mean, if a guy was really about to rob a place and the police officer just walks up and says "how ya doing?" and the guy turns and runs, RAS has been established. I really hope HB910 passes without the amendment because I wasn't planning on open carrying, but now I probably will just to record every encounter. After enough encounters, a nice settlement would definitely help me sleep better at night.

[casp625]

ELIGIBLE AT 7:40 PM MAY 29, 2015:
HB 910 Phillips / Flynn / White, James / Riddle / Guillen / et al.
Relating to the authority of a person who is licensed to carry a handgun to openly carry a holstered handgun; creating criminal offenses.

[louisf1]

ELIGIBLE AT 7:40 PM MAY 29, 2015:
HB 910 Phillips / Flynn / White, James / Riddle / Guillen / et al.
Relating to the authority of a person who is licensed to carry a handgun to openly carry a holstered handgun; creating criminal offenses.

That's on the house side. Senate has not distributed the committee notes yet.

[thechl]

Actually both bills are showing eligible at 7:40 tonight in the House!!

[mr1337]

ELIGIBLE AT 7:40 PM MAY 29, 2015:
HB 910 Phillips / Flynn / White, James / Riddle / Guillen / et al.
Relating to the authority of a person who is licensed to carry a handgun to openly carry a holstered handgun; creating criminal offenses.

That's on the house side. Senate has not distributed the committee notes yet.

Let's hope they do so soon. Clock's ticking!

[K5GU]

They distributed the conference report on HB910 at 7:29 pm last night. You can read it here.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=HB910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;