Mall Shooting in Indiana

[diverman26]

According to Redstate, the gunman had another rifle in reserve in the restroom.
Only 15 seconds to take out the bad guy.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/07 ... ng-n598228

Great article!!

10 shots in 15 seconds... 8 hits!!

Yeah, those numbers got me to thinking about my own skills and how I can improve them.

There was an older post that was revived the other day about the NRA Marksmanship Qualification Program that I found quite informative (I had never heard of it). I called a local NRA instructor and arranged a private class to go over it with me and familiarize me with the terminology used.
As another forum member noted, it sounds like a great way to maximize the benefit of range time, especially with the cost of ammunition.

[oljames3]

Texas gun lawyers discuss this incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcbwczvh8eQ

The gun control narrative intends to villainize the hero in the Greenwood mall shooting. Gun grabbers across the country are trying to tear the spotlight away from 22-year-old hero Elisjsha Dicken's brave actions, calling for increased gun control amid public celebration for Dicken's heroic acts. How can we combat the twisted narrative? What can law-abiding gun owners expect if they find themselves in a similar self-defense situation? Armed Attorneys Richard Hayes and Emily Taylor discuss.

[Paladin]

Still not a lot of details, but saw this today:

Officials said Dicken was armed with a 9mm handgun.

[philip964]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/0 ... e-shooter/

Shows what the 40 yard shot looked like in the mall.

[Paladin]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/0 ... e-shooter/

Shows what the 40 yard shot looked like in the mall.

The image makes it even more impressive!

[Excaliber]

Texas gun lawyers discuss this incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcbwczvh8eQ

The gun control narrative intends to villainize the hero in the Greenwood mall shooting. Gun grabbers across the country are trying to tear the spotlight away from 22-year-old hero Elisjsha Dicken's brave actions, calling for increased gun control amid public celebration for Dicken's heroic acts. How can we combat the twisted narrative? What can law-abiding gun owners expect if they find themselves in a similar self-defense situation? Armed Attorneys Richard Hayes and Emily Taylor discuss.

This is what has the left most upset:

The facts speak for themselves: responsible armed citizens are the only viable defense against active shooters, and a skillfully deployed handgun user can most certainly take out a rifle armed madman. The Indiana Mall incident makes this crystal clear to everyone, and it's getting noticed. The indefensible irrationality of the gun grabbers whose arguments can be boiled down to Dicken should have let the shooter kill people until police could deal with him is highlighting their insanity and no one is buying that argument.

[Paladin]

Texas gun lawyers discuss this incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcbwczvh8eQ

The gun control narrative intends to villainize the hero in the Greenwood mall shooting. Gun grabbers across the country are trying to tear the spotlight away from 22-year-old hero Elisjsha Dicken's brave actions, calling for increased gun control amid public celebration for Dicken's heroic acts. How can we combat the twisted narrative? What can law-abiding gun owners expect if they find themselves in a similar self-defense situation? Armed Attorneys Richard Hayes and Emily Taylor discuss.

This is what has the left most upset:

The facts speak for themselves: responsible armed citizens are the only viable defense against active shooters, and a skillfully deployed handgun user can most certainly take out a rifle armed madman. The Indiana Mall incident makes this crystal clear to everyone, and it's getting noticed. The indefensible irrationality of the gun grabbers whose arguments can be boiled down to Dicken should have let the shooter kill people until police could deal with him is highlighting their insanity and no one is buying that argument.

Agreed.

The authoritarian's Strategy of tension has completely failed

[ELB]

Update:

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/speci ... 29536fab10

[Paladin]

Under the category of things I did not realize:

Eli Dicken honored with congressional tribute for stopping Greenwood Park Mall shooter

Dicken had a license to carry a handgun, which was issued Aug. 4, 2021. However, Dicken did not need the license because "constitutional or permitless carry" became law in Indiana on July 1. 

[ELB]

Under the category of things I did not realize:

Eli Dicken honored with congressional tribute for stopping Greenwood Park Mall shooter

Dicken had a license to carry a handgun, which was issued Aug. 4, 2021. However, Dicken did not need the license because "constitutional or permitless carry" became law in Indiana on July 1. 

I am a member of the Indiana gun owners forum as well. This incident of course has been followed there. One of the posters noted that Mr. Dickens’ lawyer Guy Relford, mentioned in the article linked by Paladin, has posted on his Facebook page that Mr. dickens used a stock Glock 19 loaded with blazer brass ball ammo.

[Paladin]

Under the category of things I did not realize:

Eli Dicken honored with congressional tribute for stopping Greenwood Park Mall shooter

Dicken had a license to carry a handgun, which was issued Aug. 4, 2021. However, Dicken did not need the license because "constitutional or permitless carry" became law in Indiana on July 1. 

I am a member of the Indiana gun owners forum as well. This incident of course has been followed there. One of the posters noted that Mr. Dickens’ lawyer Guy Relford, mentioned in the article linked by Paladin, has posted on his Facebook page that Mr. dickens used a stock Glock 19 loaded with blazer brass ball ammo.

Blaser Brass at 40 yards, LOL... Now I'm really impressed!!! That is some mighty fine shooting!

[ELB]

Nice article:

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/cont ... by-police/

[Paladin]

Nice article:

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/cont ... by-police/

That is a good article!

Does anyone actually believe the FBI with their capability to illegally monitor everything online could not locate this guy???

The FBI had received a tip about his online account in 2019, but never located its owner.

This is sad. Situational awareness is life and death:

The first person he encountered, Victor Gomez, also happened to be carrying concealed that day, but was ambushed at point blank and never had a chance.

Great breakdown here:

Dicken had come to the food court with his girlfriend for dinner, and was seated next to a column and trash can. The instant the shots rang out, Dicken pushed his girlfriend to the ground, drew his Glock 19, braced himself on the trash can and opened fire at a distance of 42 yards. At this distance, Dicken fired four times, hitting the murderer twice, with Dicken pausing only when panicked shoppers ran through his line of sight.

The injured murderer, rifle still in hand, retreated towards the bathroom. Dicken closed to within 20 yards and shot the murderer with another four shots. The murderer started to go down, but was still struggling to make it to the bathroom. Concerned for potential further carnage, Dicken closed in to about 25 feet and fired twice more. The murderer slumped over and didn’t move.

Outstanding job Eli!!!

[K.Mooneyham]

Nice article:

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/cont ... by-police/

That is a good article!

Does anyone actually believe the FBI with their capability to illegally monitor everything online could not locate this guy???

The FBI had received a tip about his online account in 2019, but never located its owner.

This is sad. Situational awareness is life and death:

The first person he encountered, Victor Gomez, also happened to be carrying concealed that day, but was ambushed at point blank and never had a chance.

Great breakdown here:

Dicken had come to the food court with his girlfriend for dinner, and was seated next to a column and trash can. The instant the shots rang out, Dicken pushed his girlfriend to the ground, drew his Glock 19, braced himself on the trash can and opened fire at a distance of 42 yards. At this distance, Dicken fired four times, hitting the murderer twice, with Dicken pausing only when panicked shoppers ran through his line of sight.

The injured murderer, rifle still in hand, retreated towards the bathroom. Dicken closed to within 20 yards and shot the murderer with another four shots. The murderer started to go down, but was still struggling to make it to the bathroom. Concerned for potential further carnage, Dicken closed in to about 25 feet and fired twice more. The murderer slumped over and didn’t move.

Outstanding job Eli!!!

Excellent synopsis, thank you. Was the assailant on drugs, or just adrenalined up? That's a lot of hits to take and keep moving. Mr. Dicken did indeed do a fine job, though.

[Paladin]

A Declassified Court Ruling Shows How the FBI Abused NSA Mass Surveillance Data (2019)

the FBI’s abuses are confirmation that federal law enforcement agents are combing through the communications of Americans without warrants, in violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

“These opinions reveal devastating problems with the FBI’s backdoor searches, which often resembled fishing expeditions through Americans’ personal emails and online messages,” said Patrick Toomey, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “But the court did not go nearly far enough to fix those abuses. The Constitution requires FBI agents to get a warrant before they go combing through our sensitive communications.”

The declassified FISA court ruling revealed that the FBI is the most prolific miner of data about “U.S. persons,” a legal term that means any U.S. citizen or foreign national legally in the country. Queries of this data are known as “backdoor searches.” In 2017, the FBI ran approximately 3.1 million searches related to U.S. persons, compared to 7,500 combined searches by the CIA and NSA during the same year.

Many of the FBI’s searches were not legally justified because they did not involve a predicated criminal investigation or other proper justification for the search, as required by law, according to Boasberg’s FISA court ruling.

The FBI very likely used the NSA to find "Silk Road" and make an arrest in that case, but didn't bother in this case.