Still won't vote for Trump?

[Glockster]

After Kaine's visit to Houston today the latest polls for Harris County have Clinton ahead by about 10 points.

I'm pleased to say that I should be casting my vote as early as Tuesday.

[Bitter Clinger]

Barack Hussein Obama has almost destroyed the US. If Hillary is elected, she will finish the job. And Soros will have gotten his money's worth.

Let's review the 8 rules of Saul Alinsky just in case you have not done so yet:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist/communist State. The first is the most important.

1. Healthcare: "Control Healthcare and you control the People.” DONE!!!

2. Poverty: “Increase the Poverty level as high as possible." Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. ] DONE!!!

3. Debt: “Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level." That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. DONE!!!

4. Gun Control: “Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government." That way you are able to create a Police State - total local control. ALMOST THERE!!!

5. Welfare:“Take control of every aspect of their lives" (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income). DONE!!!

6. Education: “Take control of what people read & listen to, take control of what children learn in school.” ALMOST THERE!!!

7. Religion: “Remove faith in God from the Government and School.” ALMOST THERE!!!

8. Class Warfare: “Divide the people into the wealthy against the poor. Racial division also works. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with full support of the voting poor." DONE!!!

Do you still think not voting for Trump is a good idea? That you will feel better because you have "stuck to your principles"? Really? Its not about you, its about the country, and it is close to being lost!

[J.R.@A&M]

"We have two choices for president, the harpy or Trump, anybody you vote for except Donald Trump is a vote against you right to a firearm,..."

My response to this is "The one who gives up principle for victory is soon to lose both." Trump just had to walk back suggestions of a national stop and frisk policy; He is no friend of the constitution.

Trump may not be principled. He may not be the best friend of the constitution. But he is a better friend than his main opponent. So I am voting for him. Whatever you do, you will effectively be helping elect either him or his main opponent. No getting around that.

[NiMexicatl]

To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

[Bitter Clinger]

To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

So, thanks for sharing but how about some more insight into what issues drive you to this "opinion"? Honestly I am trying to understand if its generational or something else? We all know that Hillary is a serial liar and an unconvicted felon. She is outspoken in her desire to abolish the 2nd amendment and she will make it even more difficult for people to find meaningful employment. She is simply a continuation of the failed policies of Barack Obama, including the ceding of global influence to the Russians and the Iranians.

Trump's policy positions will lead to strong borders, strong military, and a strong economy...and he is beholden to no one.

I have been surprised by discussions concerning this upcoming election in many ways. Most recently my sister, a Ph.D., commented to me that after seeing the first debate, she was convinced by Hillary (!), to vote for Trump. On the other hand, I have a younger friend, again college educated and working in the commercial banking arena and who I would expect to lean conservative (?), but he seems to favor Hillary. It is simply astounding to me.

Please help me to understand if you can, thanks!

[rotor]

To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

Supreme court. What more can one say.

[Bitter Clinger]

[1911 10MM]

I have no words!

[parabelum]

To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

Who then are you lifting up? That criminal witch? Gary the "nobody knows me and I'm pseudo libertarian" Johnson? Stein?

[bblhd672]

To put it simply, I honestly don't think there's much at this point that can convince me to vote Trump. It's my opinion and I honestly don't see him winning this election.

As far as my support for the 2A, I think focus taken away from holding congress responsible is a step in the wrong direction.

If people (in a general sense) start putting the fear that they'll have to do their job and respect the best interest of those they represent and the constitution it is my opinion that restoration of gun rights will be better served. It's probably not a realistic picture any time soon, but I feel it's the truth.

Yes the president holds power and can drive issues to the fore front, but ultimately the bulk of this kind of thing is supposed to be shouldered by the ones we elect to represent us.

This country has a really good system set in place, based on a really good ideological foundation. It's sad to see the way it operates some times and how things as important as the 2A can be trivialised as debateble by some. I don't know what else to say other than it's dissapointing. As are a lot of things, but hey thats life.

Then I guess freedom and liberty aren't important to you.
Hillary Clinton will appoint 1-3 justices to the Supreme Court, resulting in a far left majority, perhaps a 6-3 left wing slant. Her highest priority is banning firearm ownership by citizens, by any and every means possible. Having a stacked SCOTUS in her favor will let her get key 2A decisions overturned.
HRCis left of BHO, is a known liar, willing to allow Americans, including an Ambassador die at foreign hands without recourse. HRC and her family have taken hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign citizens, companies and governments, you think those were without strings attached?
Your stated reliance upon the legislative branch to keep her in balance is naive- this is the same group who has cowered and caved to BHO repeatedly. You think they are going to change when he has been replaced by she?
Anyone who's votes for Clinton or Johnson or doesn't vote at all is no friend of the freedom and liberties that Americans have fought and died for since April 19, 1775.

[NiMexicatl]

Too many replies for me to respond to individually.

The supreme court appointment argument is a valid concern. However I seem to recall the current president considering a right leaning justice for appointment that Republicans seemed to not respond well to.

To be honest I don't keep up with politics as avidly as some others. I tend to do reasearch in larger blocks as opposed to day to day.

I can't respond to arguments about Hillary the murder primarily because the facts that I'm aware of just don't support that point of view as much as others here and else where seem to be convinced of.

I stated in my original post that relying on congress is more idealist than anything else. It is however the truth, just not the applied reality currently.

I'm not going to go back and forth on politics here. I have my reasons and believe me when I say I'm not uneducated or unrealistic. I'm not going to be able to convince the majority of people here or otherwise and there's too much hostility from people I don't know or care about when it's brought up on the internet for my taste.

I made a rather simple and unloaded response to the OP. I'd like to keep it that way. And stay out of the general side arguments.

[parabelum]

NiMexicatl,

It looks from few of your posts that you are reasonable , intelligent young fella. If you love your carry rig and your Sig, understand that the criminal witch (plenty of evidence to support this out there) will work steadfastly to strip that right you have to carry now away from you, and all of us here.

The entire Lib party is nothing more then subversive group that for hundreds of years sat on backs of slaves and minority groups. Working very hard to keep the ghettos nice and full.

Not to support one candidate who stands to preserve your 2A right is, at the very least, a slap to your reason and intelligence.

She is pure evil my friend.

[NiMexicatl]

NiMexicatl,

It looks from few of your posts that you are reasonable , intelligent young fella. If you love your carry rig and your Sig, understand that the criminal witch (plenty of evidence to support this out there) will work steadfastly to strip that right you have to carry now away from you, and all of us here.

The entire Lib party is nothing more then subversive group that for hundreds of years sat on backs of slaves and minority groups. Working very hard to keep the ghettos nice and full.

Not to support one candidate who stands to preserve your 2A right is, at the very least, a slap to your reason and intelligence.

She is pure evil my friend.

I 100% understand where you're coming from. This election isn't ideal, for me or a lot of others. I struggle with the contradiction of my political stances and the anti-gun association that seems to be hard to avoid these days. All I can say is I put my votes where I feel I must, based on both personal importance and compromise where I feel it is either unavoidable or unlikely to to truly occur. I don't want this to be taken as a specific statment on the 2nd ammendment. It's just my approach in a general sense.

I try to make it as informed as possible. I try to urge moderation and education in my personal life. I've made the mistake of not being careful enough with my words on the internet before. I try to avoid it where I can, but admittedly that's not always the case.

Nuances of conversation can be lost on these forums, and a lot of people fall directly into attack mode when backed by the majority. So I'll stay out of this one and most others where I can help it.

[Bitter Clinger]

NiMexicatl,

It looks from few of your posts that you are reasonable , intelligent young fella. If you love your carry rig and your Sig, understand that the criminal witch (plenty of evidence to support this out there) will work steadfastly to strip that right you have to carry now away from you, and all of us here.

The entire Lib party is nothing more then subversive group that for hundreds of years sat on backs of slaves and minority groups. Working very hard to keep the ghettos nice and full.

Not to support one candidate who stands to preserve your 2A right is, at the very least, a slap to your reason and intelligence.

She is pure evil my friend.

I 100% understand where you're coming from. This election isn't ideal, for me or a lot of others. I struggle with the contradiction of my political stances and the anti-gun association that seems to be hard to avoid these days. All I can say is I put my votes where I feel I must, based on both personal importance and compromise where I feel it is either unavoidable or unlikely to to truly occur. I don't want this to be taken as a specific statment on the 2nd ammendment. It's just my approach in a general sense.

I try to make it as informed as possible. I try to urge moderation and education in my personal life. I've made the mistake of not being careful enough with my words on the internet before. I try to avoid it where I can, but admittedly that's not always the case.

Nuances of conversation can be lost on these forums, and a lot of people fall directly into attack mode when backed by the majority. So I'll stay out of this one and most others where I can help it.

I call applesauce.