Private party bill of sale - non LTC

[goose]

Goose

But you are trusting them with your personal information. Or do you expect to get their information, but they get none of yours? If you are giving them your information, you are trusting them with the holy grail. As others have said, you are trusting that they won't want to come to your house uninvited to check if you have more guns; You are trusting that with your information they don't sell it to someone looking to get a credit card in your name. I have never heard of a person going to jail for a sold firearm later used in a crime.

If you are taking information but giving none, your model works I suppose.

Forget that this is a gun transaction. Let's say you are selling or buying anything else of value. Would you not want a bill of sale? If not that is your business. As far as going to jail for a sold firearm later used in a crime, happens all the time with straw purchases. Yesterday was on the news as a matter of fact woman (girlfriend) bought an AK and a handgun for felon boyfriend and he killed a bunch of people and she faces 10 years. Not that a BOS would have mattered but transfer of a gun to someone that shouldn't have it can put you in jail. This topic though has been beaten to death and I respect all the people that don't want to provide BOS and my feeling is that I want a BOS and that's how I do business. Not every sale goes through. No big deal.

But your example is invalid for the point either of us are making. The seller did not go to jail. The girlfriend that was violating the law went to jail. The seller wasn't protected from anything because the seller wasn't doing anything wrong. You even say that the BOS wouldn't have mattered. I'm not here to beat you up. I am here to encourage you to not give your address and information to someone who could use it against you. And yes, I buy things at flea markets and swap meets and gun shows all of the time. Very rarely am I given a BOS. I cant remember the last time I asked for one for a used item. Again, just encouraging you or anyone reading along to not give out personal information. At a bare minimum give out a PO Box and no DL#.

[goose]

Goose

But you are trusting them with your personal information. Or do you expect to get their information, but they get none of yours? If you are giving them your information, you are trusting them with the holy grail. As others have said, you are trusting that they won't want to come to your house uninvited to check if you have more guns; You are trusting that with your information they don't sell it to someone looking to get a credit card in your name. I have never heard of a person going to jail for a sold firearm later used in a crime.

If you are taking information but giving none, your model works I suppose.

Forget that this is a gun transaction. Let's say you are selling or buying anything else of value. Would you not want a bill of sale? If not that is your business. As far as going to jail for a sold firearm later used in a crime, happens all the time with straw purchases. Yesterday was on the news as a matter of fact woman (girlfriend) bought an AK and a handgun for felon boyfriend and he killed a bunch of people and she faces 10 years. Not that a BOS would have mattered but transfer of a gun to someone that shouldn't have it can put you in jail. This topic though has been beaten to death and I respect all the people that don't want to provide BOS and my feeling is that I want a BOS and that's how I do business. Not every sale goes through. No big deal.

But your example is invalid for the point either of us are making. The seller did not go to jail. The girlfriend that was violating the law went to jail. The seller wasn't protected from anything because the seller wasn't doing anything wrong. You even say that the BOS wouldn't have mattered. I'm not here to beat you up. I am here to encourage you to not give your address and information to someone who could use it against you. And yes, I buy things at flea markets and swap meets and gun shows all of the time. Very rarely am I given a BOS. I cant remember the last time I asked for one for a used item. Again, just encouraging you or anyone reading along to not give out personal information. At a bare minimum give out a PO Box and no DL#.

Also going to add, in your example the girlfriend's boyfriend, a felon, now potentially has access to your address. Not good. Especially if he knows you helped with any investigation. Retribution might not be fun.

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Goose and all worried about your info getting out. It's already out. IRS has been hacked with all of your info out there. My Discover card seems to be routinely changed as it gets used by ???. According to yesterdays news, your tax refund ( I hope you get one ) may be going to a hacker. I think that a BOS is the least worry you have for leaking your "private" info, unfortunately.