Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

[duns]

"Invade" is too emotive. I would have said they are showing initiative.

Much like the Germans in the previous century.

How so? Please explain.

[duns]

The percentage of illegal aliens who are otherwise not engaged in criminal behaviors is irrelevant, because they are still engaged in the law-breaking behavior of entering the country illegally.

It's law breaking, yes, but it is not actually a crime so it should not be equated with criminal behavior. You do know that illegal entry is merely a civil offense, like a traffic infraction?

[The Annoyed Man]

The percentage of illegal aliens who are otherwise not engaged in criminal behaviors is irrelevant, because they are still engaged in the law-breaking behavior of entering the country illegally.

It's law breaking, yes, but it is not actually a crime so it should not be equated with criminal behavior. You do know that illegal entry is merely a civil offense, like a traffic infraction?

And, you are aware, are you not, that traffic citations, despite being civil violations, are punishable by a fine; and if the fine goes uncollected, there is a warrant issued for your arrest?

[suthdj]

My experience with the system is this I brought my wife here from China. Below is the detailed time line.

Stage 1 (K-1 Application)
First Contact................. Sep 09 2002
NOA 1...........................Sept 19th 2003
Arrived in US..................Sep 02 2004
349 Days for visa

Stage 2 (Conditional Green Card)
SSN Arrived..................Sep 15 2004
Married........................Sep 15 2004
AOS Physical/Shots.........Nov 12 2004
AOS Interview................Nov 22 2004
Biometrics.....................Dec 17 2004
No GC in 90 days letter....Feb 04 2005
Filed and received EAD.....Feb 09 2005
Received AP sometime in here
Received second EAD.......Feb 09 2006
Received Welcome notice. March 24 2006
2 Yr GC arrived......................March 30 2006
561 Days for Conditional Green Card

Stage 3 (10 Year Green Card)
Sent I-751...................Feb 11 2008 (5.3 years of this process)
Check Clears bank.........Feb 29 2008
I-797(Bio-metric appt)...Mar 06 2008
I-551 Stamp.................Jun 10 2008
Received approval ..........Feb 23 2009
Received 10yr GC......... Mar 09 2009

Child born....................Dec 22 2008

Stage 4 (Citizenship)
Sent N-400.................Feb 02 2009 (6.4 years of this process)
Received NOA..............Feb 07 2009
I-797(Bio-metric appt)...Feb 19 2009
Rcvd Interview letter.....Mar 24 2009
Interview Date.............May 05 2009
Rcvd Oath letter............Jul 01 2009
Takes Oath...................Jul 28 2009(6.91 Years-2521 days)


You will notice the last line were it says "6.91 Years" well had the system worked as it was supposed to that would be 3-4 years. Now over this time I spent 10's of thousands of dollars in travel, hotels and fees. All because our system is broke. These illegals are here illegally and should follow the process just like everyone else I don't care how bad their country is or why, it is their country they can fix it not come here and screw up mine. Honestly I support stopping any and all funds going to any country that has illegals here, sealing our borders by force if necessary. Don't care a bit about what Calderon thinks he has no grounds to complain about our system when his is so messed up.

[suthdj]

The percentage of illegal aliens who are otherwise not engaged in criminal behaviors is irrelevant, because they are still engaged in the law-breaking behavior of entering the country illegally.

It's law breaking, yes, but it is not actually a crime so it should not be equated with criminal behavior. You do know that illegal entry is merely a civil offense, like a traffic infraction?

And, you are aware, are you not, that traffic citations, despite being civil violations, are punishable by a fine; and if the fine goes uncollected, there is a warrant issued for your arrest?

Not to mention DEPORTATION! as well as getting banned for being here illegally.

[jester]

It's law breaking, yes, but it is not actually a crime so it should not be equated with criminal behavior. You do know that illegal entry is merely a civil offense, like a traffic infraction?

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Are you really suggesting they can imprison someone up to 2 years for a "civil offense"? That sounds a lot like the penalty for a felony.

[duns]

And, you are aware, are you not, that traffic citations, despite being civil violations, are punishable by a fine; and if the fine goes uncollected, there is a warrant issued for your arrest?

Yes.

[duns]

To Suthdj: I am sorry it took 6.91 years for you to obtain a green card for your wife. It took me 8 years to obtain my own green card, so I do understand (I hope to obtain citizenship quite soon). Don't you think it should be easier to obtain work visas and green cards? IMO, the USA needs more decent, hard-working people with clean records. There seem to be a lot of hurdles put in their way without any reason.

[Beiruty]

I have been living permentally in US since august 19991. I got my GC in july 2007. I had file for GC twice. Am I elegible to file for citizenship?

[duns]

Are you really suggesting they can imprison someone up to 2 years for a "civil offense"? That sounds a lot like the penalty for a felony.

IANAL so I could be wrong. But I understand that despite the severe potential penalty, illegal entry is still a civil offense. I understand that traffic infractions, while still civil offenses, carry a penalty of up to one year in jail. If anyone knows for sure that illegal entry is a crime, I would welcome hearing from them and will retract my statement. Till then, my statement stands.

[Oldgringo]

Alright everybody, repeat after me:

"Concealed is concealed, illegal is illegal and a CHL is not a Batman license."

Are there any questions? Okay, here endeth the lesson.

[duns]

I have been living permentally in US since august 19991. I got my GC in july 2007. I had file for GC twice. Am I elegible to file for citizenship?

Sure, once the requisite waiting period has elapsed. Google it.

[suthdj]

I have been living permentally in US since august 19991. I got my GC in july 2007. I had file for GC twice. Am I elegible to file for citizenship?

I honestly don't know, Only path I know was the K-1. Go to the Gov web site they have good FAQ's as well as paths to citizenship.

[suthdj]

To Suthdj: I am sorry it took 6.91 years for you to obtain a green card for your wife. It took me 8 years to obtain my own green card, so I do understand (I hope to obtain citizenship quite soon). Don't you think it should be easier to obtain work visas and green cards? IMO, the USA needs more decent, hard-working people with clean records. There seem to be a lot of hurdles put in their way without any reason.

Currently our laws only hurt and delay those coming here legally. I believe there should be faster easier ways for people to come here however that does not give a free pass or excuses to come here illegally the people coming across the border are not the cream of the crop they are desperate people in search of an easier life and don't have much to lose. Some may be great people however they may also be the scum of the earth I would like to be assured of what types we allow in, hence our immigration laws and the processes, as much as they are broke they are in place for a reason.

[aardwolf]

I understand that there are about 12 million of them here most filling low-skilled jobs that Americans don't want. Can you imagine what damage it would do to the economy if they were all expelled?

Can you imagine the good it would do for the economy if those jobs became available during a period of high unemployment?

Can you imagine the good it would do for the country if we told Americans with no job skills they can take those jobs. More importantly, it's their choice to take those jobs or not, but no more welfare handouts. Can you imagine the good it would do if it doesn't matter their sex, race, religion, national origin, family status, or anything else. No more government handouts.

Can you imagine the good it would do for America is we reversed the socialist tide?

2 Thessalonians 3:10