Armed illegals brazenly crossing the border

[baldeagle]

Meanwhile, 20% of the people crossing our southern border are criminals and no small number more are from terrorist supporting countries like Iran - http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - all of which our government covers up, even from the US House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee members, because people would be outraged if they knew how serious the problem is.

[carlson1]

WHATEVER is not on topic will be deleted from this point on. I asked several post back to take it back to topic. There has been enough attacks, slanderous remarks, and unrelated post on this topic.



Here is the original post in case you have forgotten:

Concerned US citizens have placed hidden cameras 80 miles north of the border and captured illegals armed with AK-47s, MAC-10s and other weapons, clearing the way for long lines of backpacking drug runners. This should put a crimp in the open borders crowd's arguments.

[duns]

OK, I get it now. The issue is illegals coming in with weapons not illegal entry per se. My proposal to solve this problem is to create more and easier pathways to legal immigration so that the gun-toting illegals will not be able to slip over while the Border Patrol is grossly overburdened by their duty to apprehend economic migrants. This would free up the Border Patrol so that it can concentrate on the real threat.

[jlangton]

I'm a GC holder and soon-to-be citizen (in about 3 months' time). While I can empathize with the fact that some illegal invaders just want a good life, I have a few problems with how they go about it.

Andy,thank you for doing it properly,and I agree with your feelings. The video feeds are proof that it's more than just some people wanting a good life-armed people from another country crossing our borders with illegal contraband...wow,just wow.
JL

[Fangs]

Wow, my brain hurts after reading this whole post.

I bet most the of the land those illegal aliens are walking on belongs to someone... Which would make it trespassing... Which was a crime last I checked, right?

Not to mention they're illegally importing guns and narcotics.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: HOW CAN NORTH KOREA FIGURE THIS OUT AND THE U.S. CAN'T?

Land mines?

[Oldgringo]

FANGS asks:

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: HOW CAN NORTH KOREA FIGURE THIS OUT AND THE U.S. CAN'T?

The Oldgringo answers:

In a nutshell AGAIN, Kim Il Dingbat is not running for re-election.

Our politicians - in both parties - do no want to alienate this large bloc of voters.

[baldeagle]

FANGS asks:

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: HOW CAN NORTH KOREA FIGURE THIS OUT AND THE U.S. CAN'T?

The Oldgringo answers:

In a nutshell AGAIN, Kim Il Dingbat is not running for re-election.

Our politicians - in both parties - do no want to alienate this large bloc of voters.

Yeah, they'd rather alienate the millions of patriotic Americans who go about their daily lives and don't pay much attention to politics - at least they used to not pay much attention to politics - now we call them tea partiers (or teabaggers if you're into insulting people) and they seem to be making a difference.

[Trinitite]

Wow, my brain hurts after reading this whole post.

I bet most the of the land those illegal aliens are walking on belongs to someone... Which would make it trespassing... Which was a crime last I checked, right?

Not to mention they're illegally importing guns and narcotics.

[Stupid]

So.... are those guns available to us? What calibers are they? Do they have night vision or night sights?

[74novaman]

Hey, if they want to try an armed invasion of Texas, they're welcome to try. Didn't work out for them so well last time as I recall.

[suthdj]

Hey, if they want to try an armed invasion of Texas, they're welcome to try. Didn't work out for them so well last time as I recall.

No they will over whelm us with people that suck us dry of money then vote themselves in office.

[Stupid]

Hey, if they want to try an armed invasion of Texas, they're welcome to try. Didn't work out for them so well last time as I recall.

Don't be so optimistic. This time, they have automatic weapons, loads of drug money and our taxes.

What do you have after paying all the taxes?

[The Annoyed Man]

OK, I get it now. The issue is illegals coming in with weapons not illegal entry per se. My proposal to solve this problem is to create more and easier pathways to legal immigration so that the gun-toting illegals will not be able to slip over while the Border Patrol is grossly overburdened by their duty to apprehend economic migrants. This would free up the Border Patrol so that it can concentrate on the real threat.

Not for me. I do have a problem with illegals coming in with weapons (and other contraband), but that isn't my core issue. My core issue that illegal aliens flaunt our laws and violate them with impunity by, among other things, entering illegally. Our founding fathers created a system in which we are a nation of laws, not of men. When a nation is subject to the whims of men, it cannot last long. When it is subject to laws with which all are expected to comply, then We The People have order. When We The People have order, then We The People can govern ourselves. When We The People have chaos, we cannot. Afghanistan is, and has been for centuries, largely chaotic. It has also been during most of its history, ungovernable. Times may change, but standards must remain, else we become ungovernable.

Every single person who sneaks into the country illegally threatens that order, and therefore threatens our self-government. Again, we come down to who can vote, and who can't. As a voting citizen, I have a vested interest in maintaining that order. Every permanent alien resident who takes the path to citizenship also gains a vested interest in that order when they become voters.

I expect compliance with our laws — ALL of our laws — from you, me, my neighbors (regardless of where they are from), and as a condition of entry for anyone from outside this country who wants to enter it. As AndyC pointed out above, aliens do not have a God-given right to be here. Instead, what they have is permission (or not) to be here. Without permission, they are unwanted intruders — particularly when all they have to do to become wanted alien residents is to ask permission to enter and obey all of the laws — not just those laws that are convenient to them.

It is that fundamental. People who sneak in without asking permission disrespect me and my fellow citizens. They disrespect you and other alien residents who obeyed the laws to enter — whether or not you feel disrespected yourself. And, they disrespect those alien residents who have done all the necessary things and have become my fellow citizens. Try polling foreign born people who have earned their citizenship. You'll find a surprising commitment to the national integrity — in some cases, stronger than some who are fortunate enough to be born into American citizenship but do not cherish it as anything special. A person who would be so disrespectful of what all this means is not welcome to me in my country. If they want to be so disrespectful of the law, then let them do so in their own country.

The argument that we should ignore illegal immigration because we are a nation built by immigrants ignores the historically undeniable truth that the VAST majority of those immigrants that built this nation over the past 200 years came here legally; and some generations did so at times in our history when it was much, much harder to gain legal entry than it is now. And by the way, they were almost ALL economic immigrants, so that dog won't hunt either.

We can certainly explore methods of streamlining the immigration process. God knows, the federal government is not a model of efficiency. In fact, it performs far more functions today than the founders ever envisioned for it. In the beginning the role of the federal government was mostly limited to the making of treaties with foreign powers, regulating foreign trade, the national defense, the integrity of the national borders, protecting (without infringement) those enumerated rights guaranteed under the Constitution, and settling judicial disputes that could not be settled at the local or state level.

But addressing that efficiency doesn't fix the porous border because people of low character will still sneak in, like they always have done. It doesn't fix the problem of what to do with the 15-30 million (depending on whose figures you believe) illegals who are already here. And, it doesn't fix the problem of narco-terrorists gunning down American LEOs 90 miles inside our own borders.

[jlangton]

OK, I get it now. The issue is illegals coming in with weapons not illegal entry per se. My proposal to solve this problem is to create more and easier pathways to legal immigration so that the gun-toting illegals will not be able to slip over while the Border Patrol is grossly overburdened by their duty to apprehend economic migrants. This would free up the Border Patrol so that it can concentrate on the real threat.

Not for me. I do have a problem with illegals coming in with weapons (and other contraband), but that isn't my core issue. My core issue that illegal aliens flaunt our laws and violate them with impunity by, among other things, entering illegally. Our founding fathers created a system in which we are a nation of laws, not of men. When a nation is subject to the whims of men, it cannot last long. When it is subject to laws with which all are expected to comply, then We The People have order. When We The People have order, then We The People can govern ourselves. When We The People have chaos, we cannot. Afghanistan is, and has been for centuries, largely chaotic. It has also been during most of its history, ungovernable. Times may change, but standards must remain, else we become ungovernable.

Every single person who sneaks into the country illegally threatens that order, and therefore threatens our self-government. Again, we come down to who can vote, and who can't. As a voting citizen, I have a vested interest in maintaining that order. Every permanent alien resident who takes the path to citizenship also gains a vested interest in that order when they become voters.

I expect compliance with our laws — ALL of our laws — from you, me, my neighbors (regardless of where they are from), and as a condition of entry for anyone from outside this country who wants to enter it. As AndyC pointed out above, aliens do not have a God-given right to be here. Instead, what they have is permission (or not) to be here. Without permission, they are unwanted intruders — particularly when all they have to do to become wanted alien residents is to ask permission to enter and obey all of the laws — not just those laws that are convenient to them.

It is that fundamental. People who sneak in without asking permission disrespect me and my fellow citizens. They disrespect you and other alien residents who obeyed the laws to enter — whether or not you feel disrespected yourself. And, they disrespect those alien residents who have done all the necessary things and have become my fellow citizens. Try polling foreign born people who have earned their citizenship. You'll find a surprising commitment to the national integrity — in some cases, stronger than some who are fortunate enough to be born into American citizenship but do not cherish it as anything special. A person who would be so disrespectful of what all this means is not welcome to me in my country. If they want to be so disrespectful of the law, then let them do so in their own country.

The argument that we should ignore illegal immigration because we are a nation built by immigrants ignores the historically undeniable truth that the VAST majority of those immigrants that built this nation over the past 200 years came here legally; and some generations did so at times in our history when it was much, much harder to gain legal entry than it is now. And by the way, they were almost ALL economic immigrants, so that dog won't hunt either.

We can certainly explore methods of streamlining the immigration process. God knows, the federal government is not a model of efficiency. In fact, it performs far more functions today than the founders ever envisioned for it. In the beginning the role of the federal government was mostly limited to the making of treaties with foreign powers, regulating foreign trade, the national defense, the integrity of the national borders, protecting (without infringement) those enumerated rights guaranteed under the Constitution, and settling judicial disputes that could not be settled at the local or state level.

But addressing that efficiency doesn't fix the porous border because people of low character will still sneak in, like they always have done. It doesn't fix the problem of what to do with the 15-30 million (depending on whose figures you believe) illegals who are already here. And, it doesn't fix the problem of narco-terrorists gunning down American LEOs 90 miles inside our own borders.

Couldn't have said it better.
JL

[gwashorn]

TAM, that was great. Much appreciated in your building the logic and demeanor. May I pass this to some friends to read? I find your approach to provide insight very compelling. Thanks for a great write up.

Gary