Glock - 1911 merger
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Glock - 1911 merger
So I'm tossing out a wild theory for discussion. May border on blasphemy to some on both "sides" but hear me out (this is a bit long-winded).
It's no secret I'm a Glock fan. But while I play along in the Glock vs. 1911 tit-for-tat, I truly admire and respect (and some day hope to own) a classic JMB-designed 1911. For my money, those two handgun designs are hands down the best in the history of the world. Doesn't really matter which is No. 1 and which is No. 2 - because third place is a distant afterthought, IMHO.
Closest I've owned to a 1911 was a Colt Mustang about 13 years ago. Great little gun. Wanted a larger caliber and didn't have the cash at the time to keep it and buy a bigger gun. So sold it and bought my Glock 23 ($500 mistake seeing used prices/values of the now discontinued Mustangs, but oh well). My biggest issue with the Mustang was how easily the grip frame would rust after a day of IWB carry unless I oiled it religiously every night.
Glock easily solved that problem with its polymer frame. And its tenifer slide and use of a lot of other polymer parts makes the gun durable and all but rust proof. The looser tolerances also make it likely the most reliable semi-auto handgun of all time. But even I admit the grip angle, blocky design, and double-stack mag makes learning to shoot the Glock well a bit of a challenge. Just like snub-nose revolvers, shooting a Glock well takes practice and developing a firm grip and muscle memory.
The 1911 design, on the other hand is a thing of pure beauty that points better than any gun I've ever held. With no practice at all I can hit bullseyes all day long at 10 yards with a properly sighted full-size 1911. But then I think of all the trouble of cleaning and oiling a 1911, parts that wear out faster (do Glock parts really EVER wear out?), etc and I think this is a gun I "want" but don't "need" and likely won't carry because for my purposes, a Glock just makes a better carry gun.
So - FINALLY - here's my crazy idea ...
A Glock 1911! Classic 1911 design with standard Government, Commander, and Officer sizes available (maybe even a smaller 9mm design too). A polymer frame with a tenifer-finished slide - or even an all tenifer version with a tenifered steel frame. All other parts are either stainless steel, tenifer finished, or polymer. Able to accept standard 1911 mags, holsters etc.
And here's the kicker ... offer the Glock 1911 in your choice of classic single-action design OR a version with a Glock safe-action striker-fired action (with or without additional thumb safety)
Yeah, yeah I know - blasphemy ... like a Chevy F150 or a Texas A&M Longhorn ....
But maybe, just maybe, this is what the gun world needs. An olive branch to both sides. This could be the start to world peace!
Or more likely it would be the biggest flop in the history handguns as both sides reject it like New Coke.
But at least I'm trying to bridge the divide ... can't we all just get along?
It's no secret I'm a Glock fan. But while I play along in the Glock vs. 1911 tit-for-tat, I truly admire and respect (and some day hope to own) a classic JMB-designed 1911. For my money, those two handgun designs are hands down the best in the history of the world. Doesn't really matter which is No. 1 and which is No. 2 - because third place is a distant afterthought, IMHO.
Closest I've owned to a 1911 was a Colt Mustang about 13 years ago. Great little gun. Wanted a larger caliber and didn't have the cash at the time to keep it and buy a bigger gun. So sold it and bought my Glock 23 ($500 mistake seeing used prices/values of the now discontinued Mustangs, but oh well). My biggest issue with the Mustang was how easily the grip frame would rust after a day of IWB carry unless I oiled it religiously every night.
Glock easily solved that problem with its polymer frame. And its tenifer slide and use of a lot of other polymer parts makes the gun durable and all but rust proof. The looser tolerances also make it likely the most reliable semi-auto handgun of all time. But even I admit the grip angle, blocky design, and double-stack mag makes learning to shoot the Glock well a bit of a challenge. Just like snub-nose revolvers, shooting a Glock well takes practice and developing a firm grip and muscle memory.
The 1911 design, on the other hand is a thing of pure beauty that points better than any gun I've ever held. With no practice at all I can hit bullseyes all day long at 10 yards with a properly sighted full-size 1911. But then I think of all the trouble of cleaning and oiling a 1911, parts that wear out faster (do Glock parts really EVER wear out?), etc and I think this is a gun I "want" but don't "need" and likely won't carry because for my purposes, a Glock just makes a better carry gun.
So - FINALLY - here's my crazy idea ...
A Glock 1911! Classic 1911 design with standard Government, Commander, and Officer sizes available (maybe even a smaller 9mm design too). A polymer frame with a tenifer-finished slide - or even an all tenifer version with a tenifered steel frame. All other parts are either stainless steel, tenifer finished, or polymer. Able to accept standard 1911 mags, holsters etc.
And here's the kicker ... offer the Glock 1911 in your choice of classic single-action design OR a version with a Glock safe-action striker-fired action (with or without additional thumb safety)
Yeah, yeah I know - blasphemy ... like a Chevy F150 or a Texas A&M Longhorn ....
But maybe, just maybe, this is what the gun world needs. An olive branch to both sides. This could be the start to world peace!
Or more likely it would be the biggest flop in the history handguns as both sides reject it like New Coke.
But at least I'm trying to bridge the divide ... can't we all just get along?
Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Someone out there makes a polymer-frame 1911 with stainless everything else.
Para Ordnance LDA 1911 is a great DA fire control design
Para Ordnance LDA 1911 is a great DA fire control design
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
As a happy owner of Glocks and 1911s, I just don't see the value in this proposition. What market are you appealing to? 1911 people would reject any "plastic guns" and Glock people would decry the incessant need for oiling, tuning, gunsmithing, and general oppressive weight.austinrealtor wrote:So I'm tossing out a wild theory for discussion. May border on blasphemy to some on both "sides" but hear me out (this is a bit long-winded).
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Or more likely it would be the biggest flop in the history handguns as both sides reject it like New Coke.
Honestly though...I like both for different reasons. One of the cool things about guns is that there are so many different mechanical solutions to the problem. The 1911 represents a century of "tried and true" for hammer-fired systems, and Glock represents several decades of "tried and true" for striker-fired.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
STI makes a single or double stack polymer frame 1911 in single action only. Para is the only one I know offering any type or double action 1911. They also offer single or double stack mags, but not sure on the polymer frame from them. I also know Wilson Combat makes a polymer frame 1911 there again in single action only and I think its single stack mags only as well. You can never have your cake AND eat it...I will say there are some light weight aluminum frames offered from Para that are both single or double stack mags but no polymer frame. The aluminum will never rust but not quite as light as polymer though.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Sorry AR, I already beat you to it in this post:
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
I'd settle for a mini-1911 in .380 or 9mm with a Glock-style DA trigger.
I'd want mine in metal.
I'd want mine in metal.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Oh my. That just might be the prettiest hardware I have ever seen ...
I bet Chuck Norris carries one of those ...
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Chuck Norris would never carry a polymer gun...no matter how strong the plastic it crumbles in the hands of a legend...
But seriously, that is the Wilson model I was thinking of and I'm with Andy you can keep it for that price.
On the request for a mini-1911 Para and Springfield both offer something in a small platform that are in 9mm. Para is the only one with a DA trigger though. And their LDA trigger is not bad at all, but its not a crisp break like most single action 1911's.
But seriously, that is the Wilson model I was thinking of and I'm with Andy you can keep it for that price.
On the request for a mini-1911 Para and Springfield both offer something in a small platform that are in 9mm. Para is the only one with a DA trigger though. And their LDA trigger is not bad at all, but its not a crisp break like most single action 1911's.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
If I get something that pretty (and "dear"), it darn sure won't be a 9mm!!!!terryg wrote: Oh my. That just might be the prettiest hardware I have ever seen ...
I bet Chuck Norris carries one of those ...
I'll stick to my old adage: My 1911's are what I show to my friends. My Glocks are what I show to my enemies.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Buy a Colt Government .380, or a Sig P238.Rex B wrote:I'd settle for a mini-1911 in .380 or 9mm with a Glock-style DA trigger.
I'd want mine in metal.
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
AndyC wrote:Wilson Combat - Spec Ops 9 - but at $2,000, they can keep it.
This is why it's gotta be a Glock to work. They already make $250 guns they sell for $525 retail. They should be able to make a Glock 1911 for about $400 and sell it for $800.
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No, that was just silly. I'm being completely seriousterryg wrote:Sorry AR, I already beat you to it in this post:
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Re: Glock - 1911 merger
Well, perhaps your right. But, it still has to be called the glockteeneleven. It just has too.austinrealtor wrote: No, that was just silly. I'm being completely serious
Perhaps I might have been taken more seriously if I had noticed the squiggly spell-check underline before I captured the image.
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