Calling out all Kahr CW9 owners...

[Soldiernurse]

Shot all three of my handguns (Kahr CW9, Walther PPS & Glock 26 Gen 4) yesterday at Reds Indoor 100yd Range. Very pleased with my shooting results with PPS & G26. However, with aim at center mass the CW9 shot low on target.

Looked in CW9 handbook for rear sight adjustment instructions but only found side to side adjustment. Need to lower the rear sight. Any CW9 owners here that can help with rear sight adjustment instructions?

[A-R]

Shot all three of my handguns (Kahr CW9, Walther PPS & Glock 26 Gen 4) yesterday at Reds Indoor 100yd Range. Very pleased with my shooting results with PPS & G26. However, with aim at center mass the CW9 shot low on target.

Looked in CW9 handbook for rear sight adjustment instructions but only found side to side adjustment. Need to lower the rear sight. Any CW9 owners here that can help with rear sight adjustment instructions?

Being a CW-series Kahr, I'm assuming these are fixed sights? If so, there's not really an "adjustment" to be made for elevation. You would most likely need to inquire with kahr (or an aftermarket sight manufacturer) about a different height front sight. But before you do that ...

How low is point of impact? If it's just an inch or two, could be the difference between "European" sights (bullet impacts exactly where front sight is placed) vs. "6 o'clock hold" sights (meaning you should place front sight just below the bullseye, touching bottom portion of bullseye, to hit the center of the bullseye).

But I have a PPS and G26 myself (and have shot multiple Kahrs) and would think if any of these has the "European" sights - which would cause you to impact low if you're using a 6 o'clock hold on your other guns, it would be the Walther and not the Glock or Kahr.

Anyway, hope this helps.

[Soldiernurse]

Shot all three of my handguns (Kahr CW9, Walther PPS & Glock 26 Gen 4) yesterday at Reds Indoor 100yd Range. Very pleased with my shooting results with PPS & G26. However, with aim at center mass the CW9 shot low on target.

Looked in CW9 handbook for rear sight adjustment instructions but only found side to side adjustment. Need to lower the rear sight. Any CW9 owners here that can help with rear sight adjustment instructions?

...But I have a PPS and G26 myself (and have shot multiple Kahrs) and would think if any of these has the "European" sights - which would cause you to impact low if you're using a 6 o'clock hold on your other guns, it would be the Walther and not the Glock or Kahr.

Anyway, hope this helps.

No sir, I used the same aim points used for all three; CW9, G26, as well as my PPS. The CW9 was the only one (yesterday) to shoot low on target. In fact, w/CW9 I compensated by aiming well above the black in order to hit center black. Yet, G26 & PPS aiming point equaled same hit spot on target.

[A-R]

No sir, I used the same aim points used for all three; CW9, G26, as well as my PPS. The CW9 was the only one (yesterday) to shoot low on target. In fact, w/CW9 I compensated by aiming well above the black in order to hit center black. Yet, G26 & PPS aiming point equaled same hit spot on target.

interesting ....

could be a subtle flinch in your shot with just this pistol - not likely, but I've had it happen to me - just shoot some pistols better than others. Depending on how well broken in your Kahr trigger is, it could be a bit stiffer compared to other two. Often a stiffer trigger on any gun causes me to flinch enough to send shots low and left until I get used to it.

other than that - or the first guess, that the sights are "off" for the distance you're shooting - I'm stumped.

Speaking of, what distance are you shooting and how far off (measured in inches) are the shots from this gun?

If you're shooting at - say 7 yards - and gun is sighted for 25 yards at factory, this could explain some variation, but I wouldn't think it would be enough that you'd ask about it here.

Paging Sight Doctor Andy C. ....

[mrvmax]

My CW9 shot pretty much on, but my LCP shoots off center with target ammo and right on with my carry ammo. You might try different ammo first.

[mr surveyor]

It took me a few rounds to adjust to the long trigger of the CW9 a couple of years ago, but having had KelTec pistols for several years the transition was pretty smooth. Most folks tend to shoot low, or low left due to anticipation of the break...the break that seems like will never happen. The Kahr trigger, with cam action, is the smoothest long DA trigger on the market... you will adjust. Now as for the sights, I would recommend not touching them until you've proven they are off (which I wouldn't expect). Sit at the bench with sandbag rests and try a target... or easier still, try the wall drill and concentrate on the front sight on a small target 6-8" away with dry fire practice. You will definately see the muzzle movement.

I would be very surprised to hear of a CW9 out of the box where POA varied noticeably from POI.

[Soldiernurse]

A-R; Hope your right & after 200 rounds (less than 100 so far) maybe I'll have better results. Shots were about 4" low & target shooting 10-15 yds. To compensate I started aiming about 4" above center mass (aka the bullseye) with much better results. BTW, consistently placed shots in or near center mass with PPS & G26. The order in which firearms used; TC Venture Predator .308 (needed to sight-in for upcoming Deer Season), CW9, PPS, and last the G26.

[Soldiernurse]

I do appreciate EVERYONE's replies. Keep'em coming...
TIA for the input!

[A-R]

It took me a few rounds to adjust to the long trigger of the CW9 a couple of years ago, but having had KelTec pistols for several years the transition was pretty smooth. Most folks tend to shoot low, or low left due to anticipation of the break...the break that seems like will never happen. The Kahr trigger, with cam action, is the smoothest long DA trigger on the market... you will adjust. Now as for the sights, I would recommend not touching them until you've proven they are off (which I wouldn't expect). Sit at the bench with sandbag rests and try a target... or easier still, try the wall drill and concentrate on the front sight on a small target 6-8" away with dry fire practice. You will definately see the muzzle movement.

I would be very surprised to hear of a CW9 out of the box where POA varied noticeably from POI.

This is very good advice. Whenever I get a new gun (or even just new sights) I always fire it from as much of a solid rest as I can to take the human factor (my subtle hitches) out of the equation. With small carry guns you won't be able to use items like Ransom rests (http://www.ransomrest.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) easily to truly lock down the gun, but a solid two-hand grip with muzzle end resting on a block or sandbag does well enough for combat accuracy/consistency on 10-15 yard shots so you can get an idea if the sight is "about right" or "way off"

[The Annoyed Man]

I have a Kahr PM9 which my wife liked enough that we went and bought her a CW9 which is now her primary carry weapon (she also owns a G19 and a S&W 642). Her CW9 seems to shoot right to point of aim, as does the PM9. I do have a suggestion..... Is it possible that the longish trigger pull is causing you to "flinch" or jerk the gun muzzle downward very slightly just before the trigger breaks? Do you get the same kind of results shooting one-handed, versus a two-handed grip?

I would look at those things to see if they might be the issue. Unfortunately, the CW9 front sight is not dovetailed into the frame. It is pinned and "melted" into the frame, and I don't know if different height front sights are available for it. Alternatively, the rear sight is dovetailed. If it is a standard dovetail, you could try buying a slightly taller rear sight. This would force you to lift the muzzle a tiny amount to get proper sight alignment, moving the point of impact upward.

[A-R]

Unfortunately, the CW9 front sight is not dovetailed into the frame. It is pinned and "melted" into the frame, and I don't know if different height front sights are available for it.

I know Dawson Precision offers aftermarket front sights (serrated plain, tritium, and fiber optic) for Kahr C series guns, but just checked and all are listed with same 0.180" height.

[KahrGuy]

I have a Kahr PM9 and shoot very tight groups on bulls eye when taking my time and watching breathing. If using my factory night sights, I must aim as A-R mentioned immediately below bulls eye - almost to the point that top of front sight doesn't even touch bulls eye! This is opposite, however, to what you're experiencing (i.e., mine shoots a bit high). I've had CT Laser since day one, however, and have zeroed it for dead-on bulls eye.

With laser, I can unload 2 full 6 round magazines (@ 2 seconds between shots) and end up with a single hole right over bulls eye thats about 2-3 bullets wide and 2-3 bullets high - at 7 yards. However, without laser, the amount of compensation I have to do (aim down), along with room for error with sight picture, doesn't really allow me to do that. My point is that I do not flinch or anticipate shots - result with using sights is that my particular PM9 shoots a bit high.

[Soldiernurse]

It took me a few rounds to adjust to the long trigger of the CW9 a couple of years ago, but having had KelTec pistols for several years the transition was pretty smooth. Most folks tend to shoot low, or low left due to anticipation of the break...the break that seems like will never happen. The Kahr trigger, with cam action, is the smoothest long DA trigger on the market... you will adjust. Now as for the sights, I would recommend not touching them until you've proven they are off (which I wouldn't expect). Sit at the bench with sandbag rests and try a target... or easier still, try the wall drill and concentrate on the front sight on a small target 6-8" away with dry fire practice. You will definately see the muzzle movement.

I would be very surprised to hear of a CW9 out of the box where POA varied noticeably from POI.

Well, both (my shooting) PPS & G26 were not low & to the left. Plus, my brother, 17 yrs my senior, was with me to help sight-in my TC .308 Venture Predator rifle. He is an excellent shot and had same issue with my CW9 & had trouble with POA/POI using my CW9 but not G26 or PPS.

I need to send about 100 more rounds down range w/CW9 to meet the 200 rd break-in.

[A-R]

Well, both (my shooting) PPS & G26 were not low & to the left. Plus, my brother, 17 yrs my senior, was with me to help sight-in my TC .308 Venture Predator rifle. He is an excellent shot and had same issue with my CW9 & had trouble with POA/POI using my CW9 but not G26 or PPS.

I need to send about 100 more rounds down range w/CW9 to meet the 200 rd break-in.

Just the fact you're shooting the other two guns better in itself doesn't mean much - the slight difference in trigger pull weight/feel/distance can be enough to throw off shots. But if another shooter is having same problem with same gun and also not having same problem with same other two guns, that really leads me to believe you have a problem that may need to be addressed by manufacturer. If it doesn't self correct in the next 100 rounds, I'd call up Kahr and ask them to fix it. Be sure to tell them that multiple different shooters get the same problem, POI same direction and distance from POA, and also confirm to them that you've tried this from a rested position with same results (to as best you can eliminate shooter error).

[dalto]

While it is certainly possible that your sights are off, it is more likely that you and the person you were shooting with are not used to the longer trigger pull the Kahr has.

There is a big difference in shooting a glock and a kahr. I agree with what others have said that you should test it out by dry firing.

To do this, first make sure the gun is unloaded by removing the magazine and emptying the chamber. Then point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger. When you do this keep your eyes focused on the front sight. The front sight should stay perfectly still. Most likely, you are going to see it dip slightly at the very end of the trigger pull. If it does, this means you need to adjust to the difference in trigger pulls.