Lumberjack98 wrote:Wait a minute. It seems the only criteria from Mr. Carter is a pistol grip...not high capacity magazines, as evidenced by the Mossberg for sale in this weeks ad. So is the policy because it's "evil" looking? Or he doesn't think an 18 year old is mature enough?
Again, I'm all for a business making their own policies. I have a problem when they are more restrictive when it comes to 2A matters.
I spoke with Mr. Carter today in referance to his polocy. He said to many of the pistol grip short barral shottys were falling into the hands of Gang Members so be felt the right thing to do was to put an age restriction on the purchase of these type guns. He went on to say that he might lose some sales but he could sleep at night.
He also said the Anti-Gunners are watching real close so he doesnt want to give them any thing to talk about.
Ok so there straight from the horses mouth.
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Lumberjack98 wrote:Wait a minute. It seems the only criteria from Mr. Carter is a pistol grip...not high capacity magazines, as evidenced by the Mossberg for sale in this weeks ad. So is the policy because it's "evil" looking? Or he doesn't think an 18 year old is mature enough?
Again, I'm all for a business making their own policies. I have a problem when they are more restrictive when it comes to 2A matters.
I spoke with Mr. Carter today in referance to his polocy. He said to many of the pistol grip short barral shottys were falling into the hands of Gang Members so be felt the right thing to do was to put an age restriction on the purchase of these type guns. He went on to say that he might lose some sales but he could sleep at night.
He also said the Anti-Gunners are watching real close so he doesnt want to give them any thing to talk about.
Ok so there straight from the horses mouth.
How is that better than what the antis do?
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Lumberjack98 wrote:Wait a minute. It seems the only criteria from Mr. Carter is a pistol grip...not high capacity magazines, as evidenced by the Mossberg for sale in this weeks ad. So is the policy because it's "evil" looking? Or he doesn't think an 18 year old is mature enough?
Again, I'm all for a business making their own policies. I have a problem when they are more restrictive when it comes to 2A matters.
I spoke with Mr. Carter today in referance to his polocy. He said to many of the pistol grip short barral shottys were falling into the hands of Gang Members so be felt the right thing to do was to put an age restriction on the purchase of these type guns. He went on to say that he might lose some sales but he could sleep at night.
He also said the Anti-Gunners are watching real close so he doesnt want to give them any thing to talk about.
Ok so there straight from the horses mouth.
I know i have heard " its for the children" somewhere........
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How is that better than what the antis do?
A big difference. Mr. Carter is doing what he feels is right and that he should be able to to sell to whom he wants or doesn't want to. He isn't telling anyone else who to sell too. The Brady's believe that they should make the rules on whom we can sell or not sell to.
Hypothetical example.
I might not like AK47s. I refuse to sell them or even own them. Maybe I don't like the type of people that buy them. Or the people that make them. Don't I have a right not to buy and sell them? But do I have the the right to interfere with other people? Should I support their right to buy and own one?
There is a big difference between not being a part of something and being against it.
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I have to disagree with this. If the law permits it then you should be able to buy it. After all if one is old enough to enlist and fight for our country then they should be able to buy an AR or a shotgun with a pistol grip. To refuse to sell these to people under a certain age because of a cosmetic feature shows immaturity on his part. Being scared of cosmetic features is something the anti's want people to be so they can pick away at our rights.
remington79 wrote:I have to disagree with this. If the law permits it then you should be able to buy it. After all if one is old enough to enlist and fight for our country then they should be able to buy an AR or a shotgun with a pistol grip. To refuse to sell these to people under a certain age because of a cosmetic feature shows immaturity on his part. Being scared of cosmetic features is something the anti's want people to be so they can pick away at our rights.
By your reasoning I should have to sell my guns to anyone who offers my asking price. The law determines who we may sell too. not who we must sell too. I for instance would not sell anything to anyone wearing a hoodie in Texas in July even if it is legal. I will agree even agree that it should be legal to sell too people in hoodies. That doesn't mean should all have to treat hoodies people with respect.
The age of someone isn't just a cosmetic difference. Even though my hoodie dislike is. While there are some 18-20 year olds that are mature and trustworthy, there are fewer of them than there are 21 and older.
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Big difference to me is that you are an individual and he is a business selling to the open public. He is discriminating based on age and i thought that was illegal. Much as i agree with him in principle he is still in the wrong.
You not wanting to sell to someone wearing a hooded sweatshirt in July has nothing to do with age. That has to do with profiling because the person looks like a gangbanger. There's nothing wrong with that. I would not sell to someone that looks like a gangbanger or a terrorist. After all if it looks and quacks like a duck it must be.
There IS something wrong with refusing to sell to someone because of how the FIREARM looks. There are plenty of mature 18-20 year olds. My friends and I were at that age, especially when it came to firearms. Refusing to sell because a rifle or shotgun has a pistol grip is based on emotion, not fact. It is the same reasoning that the worthless AWB was passed. After all we know that a pistol grip makes a firearm so much more deadly. By his reasoning with the age what's next not selling pistols to anyone under 30? Where does it end?If he has such qualms about selling these type firearms maybe he should just be a Fudd and sell bolt actions and over/unders. Or maybe he should just get out of the business all together.
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rm9792 wrote:He is discriminating based on age and i thought that was illegal.
remington79 wrote:You not wanting to sell to someone wearing a hooded sweatshirt in July has nothing to do with age. That has to do with profiling because the person looks like a gangbanger. There's nothing wrong with that. I would sell to someone that looks like a gangbanger or a terrorist.
There are defined "protected classes", where it is illegal to discriminate, based upon race, religion, gender, disability, or age over 40. If you are not a member of the "protected class", then it is not illegal. Age 18-20 or people wearing hoodies are not "protected classes".
remington79 wrote:I have to disagree with this. If the law permits it then you should be able to buy it. After all if one is old enough to enlist and fight for our country then they should be able to buy an AR or a shotgun with a pistol grip. To refuse to sell these to people under a certain age because of a cosmetic feature shows immaturity on his part. Being scared of cosmetic features is something the anti's want people to be so they can pick away at our rights.
By your reasoning I should have to sell my guns to anyone who offers my asking price. The law determines who we may sell too. not who we must sell too. I for instance would not sell anything to anyone wearing a hoodie in Texas in July even if it is legal. I will agree even agree that it should be legal to sell too people in hoodies. That doesn't mean should all have to treat hoodies people with respect.
The age of someone isn't just a cosmetic difference. Even though my hoodie dislike is. While there are some 18-20 year olds that are mature and trustworthy, there are fewer of them than there are 21 and older.
If you could pick up the phone and run an instant FBI background check on the person wearing the hoodie, would that change your mind? Also, people who are 18 can buy a non pistol-grip shotgun at the same store, so other than freaking out about cosmetic items, what is the difference?
rm9792 wrote:Big difference to me is that you are an individual and he is a business selling to the open public. He is discriminating based on age and i thought that was illegal. Much as i agree with him in principle he is still in the wrong.
You made the very point that I was going to make. If Mr. Carter wants to restrict the legal sale of firearms, he can do it to a smaller customer base... cause I'm done with them if this is the case. There are five guns in my safe that came from CC. There wont be a sixth. If he wants to use unfounded opinion and poor judgement to cook up new rules restricting certain guns... let him run for congress.
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Anyone gone to Bass Pro Shops lately to look for an AR style rifle? Last time I went was a couple years ago and I was told that they would not stock that style of rifle. I see this as their right.
I disagree with Mr. Carter's decision, but I don't see it as any different from Bass Pro's. He is carrying them for sale to some people but doesn't feel comfortable selling to some. Bass Pro doesn't feel comfortable selling them at all. Each gets to make their decision and if enough customers are upset about it, they lose sales. That is how our country and a free market are supposed to work.
I will point out that at least one state agency has this exact attitude. TABC was very quick to tell stores that just because the person has an ID does not mean that they have to sell to them. They have the right to refuse to sell to anyone for any non-illegal reason (illegal reasons being membership in one of the protected classes).
I am not disagreeing he has the right but it is still wrong IMO. Maybe the age is not a protected class but he is doing exactly what the anti's are doing and that is banning on emotion, not logic whilst accomplishing nothing in the long run. I dont have a dog in thid fight as i wont buy from there, Bass Pro, Academy or any other overpriced chain store. I get much better deals and service from the people on this board or at some of the local little stores. Pistol grips do not make a gun any more deadly than a regular stock. I would love to profile and only sell to someone I am sure of but the bottom line is that you can not tell all the time who someone is by their looks.
