To laser or not?

[Moby]

Whoa fella's hold on just a moment.
I appreciate all the input. Surely did not mean to fire up a heated discussion.

I got some great persepective from everyone.
for me, I think irons sights and lots of range time is the way to go.

I think IDPA is something I want to investigate.
On the surface it looks like real world type CCW training.

[Jumping Frog]

Well allow me to retort. If reading is fundamental then you should have read it again because I never said you’re retarded, I said that the advice given to the man was retarded and nowhere did I call you or another member that posted by name in my post. Meaning as in you have chosen to take offense!

Excuse me, I am just a bystander here, but not only do I disagree with your statement above, I'll also point out yo0u are continuing to insult him with the "if reading is fundamental" line.

After all, his were the only two references to the buddy who was a SEAL.

Edit: One more thought.....take any advice your SEAL friend gives you about civilian carry issues with a slight grain of salt.

Sorry for any misunderstanding, I was not trying to accuse anyone of being a wanna be seal.

Just think it's important for us to draw distinctions between what is good tactics/gear for a CHL holder vs a Special Forces guy.

Your response said:

I think that it is funny that the people are telling this man that he should not listen to his buddy that has probably more experience of anyone on here. To use the excuse that his experiences are not valid because they train for “different problems and scenarios” than a person here in Texas is retarded and what color is the sky in your world?

Your retort "to use the excuse ... is retarded" and "what color is the sky in your world" is obviously insulting and obviously directed at 74novaman. To respond later that 74novaman is being overly sensitive is simply missing the point. It is obvious to anyone reading the thread that you insulted him, he is not simply "choosing to take offense".

[Moby]

Alright, this has gone far enough.

STOP, all parties just STOP NOW!

[74novaman]

Well allow me to retort. If reading is fundamental then you should have read it again because I never said you’re retarded, I said that the advice given to the man was retarded and nowhere did I call you or another member that posted by name in my post. Meaning as in you have chosen to take offense! Just because I chose random lines from advice given that I didn’t like was me being “free to disagree” with what was being said. So who is really being childish by threating to have someone booted from a forum for taking something personal that was not meant to be? If you want, I will be your Huckleberry!

Well, alrighty then. I'm going to clarify a couple of things and then bow out of the thread, because I've shared my own experience with lasers (which ironically, agrees with you) and don't want to ruin the OPs thread with pointless bickering.

First, I am not a moderator or administrator, so I wasn't threatening to have you booted off the forum because I don't have the authority to do so. I was attempting to give you some friendly advice on the forum rules. From past experience, the mods usually don't see a lot of difference between calling advice stupid and the member who posted it stupid. As I said, we're free to disagree but in order to keep the forum friendly, they usually prefer that we do so in a more polite manner. You are free to take the advice, or not. No "threat" implied.

Second, I am not offended by what a random person I don't know says online, so no hurt feelings on this side of the computer screen.



Moby, sorry the thread got derailed. I apologize for my part in that.

[markthenewf]

I've had crimson trace laser grips on my kimber 4" 1911 for years. This was my first hand gun and it allowed me to 'sight in my sights for me'. I sighted the laser in at 15 yards and then used it to get my sight picture and alignment straight. That worked like a charm. Nowadays I don't use it at all for practice and I did not use it for a Suarez pistol course I recently did. The only time I use it now is to see if POA and POI are right on and also to check me for steadiness/flinching.

That being said, I think that the laser has two purposes for me: 1) If I have to draw and point it at someone, I'd hope that the combination of looking at that big 'ol 45 caliber hole and realizing that the little red dot indicates that what comes outta that hole will definitely hit them will make the opt out of doing anything else and run away. 2) Allow me to aim WITHOUT my sights. In other words, if I'm in some awkward position such that I cannot bring my sights up (and I have no 'point-shooting training'), then hopefully I will still be able to get rounds on target.

On the down side, it would allow a bad guy to see me in the dark..... or my laser's point of transmission...... and that's not ideal from a tactical point of view in my home since now someone knows I'm aware of them and they know where I am. This may not be an issue with other brands which have to be toggled on/off. The CT grips have a pressure switch on the grip, so as soon as your hand tightens around the gun, it'll come on assuming you've got the power switch on as well.

Anyways, it's an additional tool that both my wife and I have on our carry guns and house gun. Use it for both training and as assistance in what I'm sure will be a time of absolute panic. We have them on all our carry guns (2 pistols and one snubby) and use them appropriately IMHO.

[doc540]

Multiple muzzle blasts will be giving away my "position" far more effectively than a tiny, red light.