JIMENEZ ARMS!

[dewayneward]

And how about Highpoints? To me they are another range accident waiting to happen.

Well, my primary carry IS a hipoint 9mm. It is a bit heavy as compared to a block (aka the barbie gun - my name for them because they are all plastic). I carry it IWB 24/7 and love the weapon. Some think that they are as ugly as can be, but I rather like the design of it. To each their own.

The thing is, if you put your booger hooker on the bang switch and it goes boom, shoots the lead down range where you aim it....who cares.

I know that the cadillac gun owners dont like associating with us bottom feeder gun owners, but I actually own the hi-point and think it is an awesome gun and does what it was designed to do....protect me and my family.

Here are some reviews:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_re ... nt_100605/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... p?t=184277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=11" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mouseguns.com/hipoint/myhpc9.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BrianSW99]

It is a bit heavy as compared to a block (aka the barbie gun - my name for them because they are all plastic).

Err, doesn't the Hi-Point have just as much plastic as a Glock? From that first article you posted:

"Hi-Point was one of the first American manufacturers to use a polymer frame for firearms. In 1992-93 we offered our 9mm in polymer, then the .380, and lastly the .40 and .45 pistols. It just worked out that way because polymer offers many consumer benefits, such as reduced recoil, ease of maintenance, and a longer service life. Polymer by nature is 'slicker' than steel/alloy and is therefore easier to care for, requiring less oil, etc."

[mr.72]

Hi-Point guns get little praise for their appearance, ergonomics, or volumetric efficiency. But I rarely hear a credible report that they are anything but rock-solid in terms of reliability, at least the 9mms.

That said, a sub-$100 .380 pistol may just work out for something to stick in random drawers in the house... They should sell them by the six-pack.

[pbwalker]

And how about Highpoints? To me they are another range accident waiting to happen.

Well, my primary carry IS a hipoint 9mm. It is a bit heavy as compared to a block (aka the barbie gun - my name for them because they are all plastic). I carry it IWB 24/7 and love the weapon. Some think that they are as ugly as can be, but I rather like the design of it. To each their own.

The thing is, if you put your booger hooker on the bang switch and it goes boom, shoots the lead down range where you aim it....who cares.

I know that the cadillac gun owners dont like associating with us bottom feeder gun owners, but I actually own the hi-point and think it is an awesome gun and does what it was designed to do....protect me and my family.

Here are some reviews:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_re ... nt_100605/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... p?t=184277" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=11" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.mouseguns.com/hipoint/myhpc9.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sorry, but your post sounds a little self serving. I mean no malice in my comment, but the very pistol you call a barbie gun because it's plastic, well, the same can be said of the Hipoint as it, too, is just as 'plastic'. I don't think the "Cadillac Gun Owners" comment is necessarily true or even warranted. If your hipoint works, then that is awesome! That's the ultimate goal in gun ownership and self defense. Don't apologize for what you have...if it works, it works.

[mr.72]

not to disparage "Cadillac gun" owners choices, but my own "Cadillac-lite" gun is doing its second stretch at the factory for repair of FTFs while my "cheap" 9mm sits at home, never having had a single failure in probably 1K rounds. I can only dream that my (more) expensive pistol can be as reliable as a $130 Hi-Point when it returns again from the factory. At this point, just the shipping charges for sending the gun back to the factory add up to more than double the price of a Hi-Point C9.

If it weren't so insanely ugly and enormous, I would be sorely tempted to buy a Hi-Point for each car, and maybe one to put in the drawer of the console table by the front door.

[ninemm]

It is amazing to me how loyal some people are to certain brands. I used to have some framers who worked for me with the attitude, "If it isn't a Duofast, I'd just as soon use a hammer." If you go on a home improvement forum, you'll get some that think any power tool that isn't Dewalt is not good. (Others say Milwaukee.) Personally, I own Dewalt, Rigid, Ryobi, Delta, Milwaukee, Hitachi, Makita, Bistitch, Craftsman and others. It's all in what you're used to. In automobiles, I presently have Nissan, Honda, Chevrolet, GMC and Freightliner. See, no brand loyalty whatsoever. However, I will admit that I will never (again) own a Ford product.

[arnoldstrong]

Hi-Point guns get little praise for their appearance, ergonomics, or volumetric efficiency. But I rarely hear a credible report that they are anything but rock-solid in terms of reliability, at least the 9mms.

That said, a sub-$100 .380 pistol may just work out for something to stick in random drawers in the house... They should sell them by the six-pack.

HAHAHA 6 pack....that's hilarious but so true, i'd stash one in every room of the house

[dewayneward]

The glock has more plastic than the hi-point...at least when I compare my friends glock to my hi-point. nothing self serving in my post, just trying to dispel the myth that "hipoints are a range accident waiting to happen". They are solid american made weapons that do what they are designed to do. I dont have any issues with other makes and models. I just dont like when someone dog a brand without having any knowledge of it. I think glocks are great guns as well. I call them barbie guns because they are made of plastic....but they have one heck of a track record. Just dont think that a gun is garbage because it didnt cost 1000 and dont look "purty". Frankly though, I like the look of my hi-point. It looks cool. That being said, I'd love to get a 1911.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

dewayneward:
My apologies to you sir for dogging your gun. You are the only person I know who has
one of these. They never get any coverage on the forum until now.

Reliability is a great virtue of anything you own. I'm glad that you are having a positive
experience with your weapon. Since it goes bang each time it should, you are golden.

All guns can have problems - even Kimbers that have to travel back to their home for a re-do.

SIA

[mr.72]

avel back to their home for a re-do.

SIA, the point I was trying to make is that dogging Hi-Point pistols due to reliability is probably completely unwarranted.

What I truly think about this is that people (I mean, most of us, including me) tend to assume that because a gun is low-price, it must therefore be unreliable or poor quality. And then we assume that more expensive guns or brands are more reliable or higher quality. But this is not true, and Hi-Point is the perfect example.

I don't mind mentioning that I think Hi-Point guns are ugly, way too big, and have the ergonomics of a cinder block. But I have not seen a credible report of them being unreliable. On the other hand, I hear reports constantly of Kahrs with reliability problems, my friend's STI had to go back to the factory about three times (fortunately, the factory was in the same town as my friend lives in) and now he's trying to sell it because it just cannot be made reliable. All kinds of premium-brand firearms have terrible reputations for reliability so there really is little correlation between price and reliability.

I wonder if the Jiminez/Jennings complaints are really that well-founded. When I was first shopping for my first gun, I had a price ceiling of about $350 because that was all I could get away with spending without having a budget planning meeting with my wife, which would subject the purchase to a veto. I admit I considered a Hi-Point, and also Bersa, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Stoeger, and other bargain brands. Taurus was the only maker among those that had any kind of a credible history of reliability issues, but all of these brands got the snob's disapproval. In fact even the gun I wound up with, even though of a more premium brand, still gets the snobs sniping "you should have bought a real Glock".

Again IMHO, I think we need to be really careful that we don't conform to the stereotype when new or potential gun owners begin asking around, so that we appear to be ignorant snobs. When we tell a potential gun owner not to buy a piece-of-junk Hi-Point because it'll blow up in his hand and it's a range accident waiting to happen, then he reads credible reviews that they are rock-solid reliable and then buys one and his own experience suggests the naysayers were wrong, then we have alienated another gun owner.

Maybe I can find some credible reviews of recent Jiminez pistols to see if they really are as unreliable as the "internet experts" suggest.

[dewayneward]

Mr.72, the experience you described here:

I wonder if the Jiminez/Jennings complaints are really that well-founded. When I was first shopping for my first gun, I had a price ceiling of about $350 because that was all I could get away with spending without having a budget planning meeting with my wife, which would subject the purchase to a veto. I admit I considered a Hi-Point, and also Bersa, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Stoeger, and other bargain brands. Taurus was the only maker among those that had any kind of a credible history of reliability issues, but all of these brands got the snob's disapproval. In fact even the gun I wound up with, even though of a more premium brand, still gets the snobs sniping "you should have bought a real Glock".

Again IMHO, I think we need to be really careful that we don't conform to the stereotype when new or potential gun owners begin asking around, so that we appear to be ignorant snobs. When we tell a potential gun owner not to buy a piece-of-junk Hi-Point because it'll blow up in his hand and it's a range accident waiting to happen, then he reads credible reviews that they are rock-solid reliable and then buys one and his own experience suggests the naysayers were wrong, then we have alienated another gun owner.

describes my experience to a tee. Most of my friends are glock owners. Hell, one friend wont call a gun a gun, he calls every gun a glock. I looked at reviews of different guns and admit that I was looking at price as well. Guns are a VERY sore spot in my family. My wife HATES them and I basically told her that me purchasing a CC gun and a home defense shotgun wasnt an "up for conversation" discussion. IMO, she was letting her myth founded emotions get the best of her and wasnt willing to listen to reason. That being said, she has "eased" up a bit in the ensuing months since my purchases. Oddly enough, my gun hasnt mysteriously jumped out of its holster and shot both our kids, her and random strangers. And my shotgun hasnt mowed anyone down either. Short story was I had to find an economical weapon that would do the job and would be realiable.

I am a Business Analyst by trade, so my brain is wired for facts and evidence (which is actually why I became a Christian, but thats another story , ha ha), so I started doing research and getting past the "glocks are the only guns in the world" comments from everyone, I kept coming up with a hi-point. The price was right and it was reliable. I am a function or form guy, so the looks werent even a consideration. I couldnt justify the additional cost for a name when it looked like the hi-point was a good realible gun. So for $130, I got one whereas my friend bought a $550 glock. The only difference I have seen so far is that his has a conversion kit that allows him to shoot .22 (cheaper ammo) and it is lighter than my gun. He also has 8 more rounds than me in each mag.

He doesnt do CC, but I CC (IWB)my hi-point (cond 1)and it works GREAT!! It isnt heavy with the right belt (I certainly wouldnt put it in draw string shorts, ha ha) and I dont even notice it (after you get use to a hunk of steel against your skin

I am sorry if I came off as defensive or a bit harsh, but for us bottom feeder gun owners, we get this all the time from the folks that have expensive guns. they perpetuate the myth (my friend of a friend of someone they saw said that hi-points explode). I even had a friend of mine send me a you tube clip where a glock lover "reviewed" the hi-point (and pleaded with me to get a real gun) saying that the hi-point is dangerous because it can self cock!!! I looked at the clip and the guy takes the gun and makes a slam dunk motion with it, which causes the gun to chamber a round. My response was that unless I was in freefall and did a roadrunner move jumping off the falling log at the last second, this would never happen in the real world.

Again, sorry if I came off defensive, but I just want people to know that hi-points are decent weapons. Like I said before, I would drool over a 1911, but my hi-point is a great gun!!! If you want to get more info on them, there is a forum where they talk hi-points: http://hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CompVest]

To me guns are like wine. There are cheap wines and expensive wines. There are good wines and bad wines. There are wines that I may like and someone else won't. It will still come down to your personal tastes as to what you are willing to buy.

Cost, style, looks doesn't matter if you like it and it performs. Teaching women classes I have learned to go by how a particular gun performs and not by its reputation.

[pbwalker]

To me guns are like wine. There are cheap wines and expensive wines. There are good wines and bad wines. There are wines that I may like and someone else won't. It will still come down to your personal tastes as to what you are willing to buy.

Cost, style, looks doesn't matter if you like it and it performs. Teaching women classes I have learned to go by how a particular gun performs and not by its reputation.

That's a great analogy CV! I'll have to remember that one!

[ninemm]

That reminds me of an experience I had about five years ago.

A guy with whom I work invited my wife and I to a Thanksgiving-Christmas time of year dinner party. I figured we would take a bottle of wine with us as a gift to our hosts. I also knew that my friend's wife is an ob-gyn who runs in pretty high circles. So I stopped by the liquor store on the way to the dinner party to get the wine. I got help from the store personnel as I don't really know much about wine and was helped to select a wine that cost around $65 for a 750 ml bottle.

At the front of the store there was a super hot chick dressed in a tiny Santa Claus helper outfit giving out samples of Wild Vines blackberry merlot. (Please take a moment and try to visualize...........)

It was selling for $3.99 for a 1 liter bottle. I bought a bottle of it. At the dinner party, I presented the Dr. with the $65 wine and slipped the bottle of blackberry merlot to my friend. With a gleam in his eye, he took it and slipped off to the butler's pantry. He used it to fill an empty bottle of some hoity-toity wine he had and set it out at the wine table. It was all we could do keep a straight face while all of the wine connoisseurs went on and on about how great it was (with all the appropriate swirling and sniffing and such). Well, the Dr. found out about it and I had to take all the blame (even though the substitution thing was entirely his idea) in order to save his marriage. Needless to say, I never got invited to another party at their house.

[boomerang]

I call them barbie guns because they are made of plastic

Life in plastic, it's fantastic.