Joe Horn going to Grand jury

[DParker]

The decision to no bill Joe Horn in the shooting deaths of two burglars is as illogical as the law against open carry in Texas, the one state in the nation you would expect some semblance of stereotypical frontier customs to hang on. The no bill was anticipated, however, in light of the sterotypical frontier sentiment "They needed killing," which lingers deep within the public body of the Lone Star State and shows no signs of abating.

Actually, the no-bill was mostly anticipated in light of the fact that a grand jury's function is to determine whether sufficient evidence exists to charge someone with a violation of the law. Since the evidence presented indicated that Joe Horn did NOT violate TX law the grand jury was compelled to no-bill him. In other words, it was flawlessly logical.

[Skiprr]

Here is an interesting read in today's Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 66865.html

The Chronicle interviewed Horn yesterday, and even if you have no real interest in reading anything further about the case itself, there are things mentioned like time dilation and perceptual changes under stress that many of us have heard before, but I think it's important for CHLers to keep hearing them...just in case.

[LedJedi]

Here is an interesting read in today's Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 66865.html

The Chronicle interviewed Horn yesterday, and even if you have no real interest in reading anything further about the case itself, there are things mentioned like time dilation and perceptual changes under stress that many of us have heard before, but I think it's important for CHLers to keep hearing them...just in case.

thanks for posting that skiprr

[LedJedi]

You guys really need to watch this video. You have to navigate to it, there's no way to link to it but trust me, it's worth watching.

go to http://www.msnbc.com
click on the Videos link on the left navigation
click on any video link to launch the video window
go to US News Category and look for the joe horn video titled "Man cleared in burglar's death"

The attorney speaking for joe's side really put the other attorney in his place. I couldn't help but laugh out loud.

[DParker]

I couldn't find the video, even after doing a search of the entire site. Is it gone?

[LedJedi]

I couldn't find the video, even after doing a search of the entire site. Is it gone?

nope, it's still there. i promise :)

[Pinkycatcher]

I couldn't find the video, even after doing a search of the entire site. Is it gone?

No, you ave to pull up the viewer, then scroll over us news, click on crime and courts then find it on the bar.

[DParker]

I couldn't find the video, even after doing a search of the entire site. Is it gone?

No, you ave to pull up the viewer, then scroll over us news, click on crime and courts then find it on the bar.

Hmmmm. When I do that I get 12 links (including the "Crime & courts Front Page" one), none of which are to the video in question, nor anything related. Could someone who is being more successful than I navigate to the video and then cut-n-past the URL here?

[anygunanywhere]

I couldn't find the video, even after doing a search of the entire site. Is it gone?

No, you ave to pull up the viewer, then scroll over us news, click on crime and courts then find it on the bar.

Hmmmm. When I do that I get 12 links (including the "Crime & courts Front Page" one), none of which are to the video in question, nor anything related. Could someone who is being more successful than I navigate to the video and then cut-n-past the URL here?

It is not there when I look either.

Anygunanywhere

[LedJedi]

awe, i can't find it now either. they took it down. I guess they didn't like the lawyer on joe's side trouncing her opponent. Wish i could have saved it for you guys but their entire video widget is all in flash.

[HerbM]

You guys really need to watch this video. You have to navigate to it, there's no way to link to it but trust me, it's worth watching.

go to http://www.msnbc.com
click on the Videos link on the left navigation
click on any video link to launch the video window
go to US News Category and look for the joe horn video titled "Man cleared in burglar's death"

The attorney speaking for joe's side really put the other attorney in his place. I couldn't help but laugh out loud.

I believe you but couldn't get there with Firefox (It is MSnbc ugh!)

Internet Explorer (7.0)
http://www.msnbc.com
BROWSE->Videos link on the left navigation
Fly out works now (not in Firefox) -> (pick any video, e.g., Israeli bulldozer rampage)
Video windows opens (I got here before -- another way with Firefox BUT...)
NOW on left of Video window there are more menus (briefly) then replaced by adverisement
Ad video runs, ad on left is replaced by Menus again
Select USNew (fly out) -> Crime and courts
Scroll WAY down list of videos to "Man cleared in burglar's death" (picture: Joe Horn, not in cavalry hat)

Video of Abrams interviewing two random lawyers -- some of the facts are correct.
the anti-Horn guy admits its legal but then runs a bunch of games about it not being
in the "spirit of the law", "should have been decided by trail jury which has cross examination",
"what happens next time when he shoot kid getting off school bus" (really!)

No Joe Horn and his lawyer did not appear. A woman lawyer appeared 'pro-Horn'

I think you are right; they didn't like getting trounced on their anti-gun piece so they replaced
it with a plain talking head legal pundit piece using the SAME TITLE.

[Keith B]

This link should work http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 7#25466531

[DParker]

Cool, thanks Keith. And the previous commentaries are right on the money. A lot of hyperventilation-inducing rhetoric from the male attorney, but not a bit of rational legal analysis from him.

[DoubleJ]

worked for me, thanks.
The guy arguing for indictment really wanted to "emotionalize" things with words such as "vigilante" and "Dirty Harry" and by saying "taking matters into his own hands."

the law is already in our hands, so technically speaking, when we drive the speed limit, stop at a stop sign, or exceed the speed limit, we are "taking the law into our hands..."

[HerbM]

But the video is STILL the talking head replacement for the one we were recommended to view with Horn's lawyer (and/or Horn).

The anti-Horn lawyer (in admitting what Horn did was legal): "but you know there is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law"


...or my favorite: "We all know that Joe Horn went out there with but one intent...[pause, and I though he would say "murder"]...and that is to make residential burglary a capitol offense."


(not true but) Ok. So?


And please hit this poll on MSNBC while we're at it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25480902

NOTICE: the poll is about UNSECURED areas of the airport even though they try to mislead on this.