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Is there a chance that suppressers will be removed as a NFA item anytime soon?

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:38 pm Is there a chance that suppressers will be removed as a NFA item anytime soon?

Not likely

wheelgun1958 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:44 am

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:38 pm Is there a chance that suppressers will be removed as a NFA item anytime soon?

Not likely

Which absolutely befuddles me! How on earth a suppressor ever became categorized in the same group as a fully automatic weapon is beyond any reasonable comprehension.

The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, as this happens as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel/can, and happens the entire time the bullet is supersonic. It does diminish the report from the ignition of the round.

To answer the original question probably never, and the best time to start the waiting game was yesterday.

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

Double post. Deleted.

So far the anti-gunners succeeded in shutting down the Hearing Protection Act and other legislation. They will fight tooth and nail. Eventually we will win as Suppressors are not actually themselves firearms and certainly not "dangerous" in an of themselves. Current rulings from the Supreme Court show that weapons must be both "dangerous and unusual" to prohibit them and silencers are neither of those things... making the NFA with regards to silencers unconstitutional.

Not that I would recommend doing anything illegal, but there have been books floating around the internet for many years showing exactly how easy it is to manufacture your own. The mafia publicly confirmed that they just make their own.

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:41 am

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, as this happens as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel/can, and happens the entire time the bullet is supersonic. It does diminish the report from the ignition of the round.

To answer the original question probably never, and the best time to start the waiting game was yesterday.

It all depends on which silencer you are discussing. Most silencers only slow gases exiting the muzzle, but there are other integral devices that are different:

MP5SD

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:18 am

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:41 am

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, as this happens as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel/can, and happens the entire time the bullet is supersonic. It does diminish the report from the ignition of the round.

To answer the original question probably never, and the best time to start the waiting game was yesterday.

It all depends on which silencer you are discussing. Most silencers only slow gases exiting the muzzle, but there are other integral devices that are different:

MP5SD

An MP5SD along with other integral suppressors do not muffle the supersonic crack, the vented gas into the external chambers, before the muzzle, cause a drop in velocity often times below supersonic speeds. You cannot muffle a supersonic crack.

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 am

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:18 am

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:41 am

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, as this happens as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel/can, and happens the entire time the bullet is supersonic. It does diminish the report from the ignition of the round.

To answer the original question probably never, and the best time to start the waiting game was yesterday.

It all depends on which silencer you are discussing. Most silencers only slow gases exiting the muzzle, but there are other integral devices that are different:

MP5SD

An MP5SD along with other integral suppressors do not muffle the supersonic crack, the vented gas into the external chambers, before the muzzle, cause a drop in velocity often times below supersonic speeds. You cannot muffle a supersonic crack.

That's not what I said. You said "A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack"... In fact the integral device on the MP5SD vents gases from the barrel into the suppressor to reduce exit velocity to subsonic and therefore eliminates supersonic crack.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:55 am Which absolutely befuddles me! How on earth a suppressor ever became categorized in the same group as a fully automatic weapon is beyond any reasonable comprehension.

In the run-up to the National Firearms Act of 1934, there were attempts to include handguns as well. It was largely because of the NFA that the NRA and the USRA (United States Revolver Association) got involved in legislative processes.

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:27 am

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 am

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:18 am

jb2012 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:41 am

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:02 am The idiocy of this is a Suppresor in noway silences a shot, it eliminates the supersonicc crack,, but it's still very loud, somebody was watching too much Hollywood when this was passed

A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack, as this happens as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel/can, and happens the entire time the bullet is supersonic. It does diminish the report from the ignition of the round.

To answer the original question probably never, and the best time to start the waiting game was yesterday.

It all depends on which silencer you are discussing. Most silencers only slow gases exiting the muzzle, but there are other integral devices that are different:

MP5SD

An MP5SD along with other integral suppressors do not muffle the supersonic crack, the vented gas into the external chambers, before the muzzle, cause a drop in velocity often times below supersonic speeds. You cannot muffle a supersonic crack.

That's not what I said. You said "A suppressor cannot eliminate the supersonic crack"... In fact the integral device on the MP5SD vents gases from the barrel into the suppressor to reduce exit velocity to subsonic and therefore eliminates supersonic crack.

It doesn’t eliminate the supersonic crack if there is no supersonic crack to eliminate. As a bullet travels down the barrel, it gains velocity, as pressure behind the bullet rises from cartridge ignition. With an integral suppressor, the round typically never reaches supersonic velocity; if it did, the suppressor would not muffle the sound of the supersonic crack. How can you take something away that does not exist?

Most likely not. However, we are closer now than we have ever been to getting them taken off. From what I’ve been reading the new e-file form 4’s are coming back around 90-100 days so that’s pretty quickly compared to the usual year.

cmgee67 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:29 am Most likely not. However, we are closer now than we have ever been to getting them taken off. From what I’ve been reading the new e-file form 4’s are coming back around 90-100 days so that’s pretty quickly compared to the usual year.

I think if they are removed we will see a dramatic price decrease in the cost of a suppressor too. That is also one of hangups is what they charge for the suppressor itself.

Public opinion needs to be changed. I watched a case on Judge Judy involving the sale of a suppressor. The case occurred at a time when Harvey Levin queried an audience outside. He asked them if there was any legal use for a suppressor, and no one could think of one. I think the majority of Americans are only familiar with bad guys in movies using suppressors.