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What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:52 am
by daddySEAL
I know Glocks have the reputation of being incredably reliable, No
Matter what type, make or grain of ammo you use.

Many "individual pistols" of most makers would work flawlessly for that individual weapon, but not all the ones manufactured by that maker might necessarily have that "luck" or reputation for the breed (and make the same gun and/or model that is ammo sensitive and jams now and then for that certain buyers now and then).

Would you guys agree?
And if so, which other makes of pistols, if any, are known for being non-jamming, please?

I'm looking for as many 1st hand user responsence as I can get...to try to get a consensus..........And is depended on thousands of rounds of multiple ammo makes and grains having been pumped through to give an answer. (Not just users having tried only a couple hundred rounds of similar types)
thanks

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:05 am
by boredelmo
This is not an answerable question!

Many candidates, no specific answer. Even a Hi-point could be a player.

CZ's are good designs, BHP are good too. Add those to your impossible search for the best :p.

Re: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pist

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:17 am
by jbirds1210
daddySEAL wrote:I know Glocks have the reputation of being incredably reliable, No
Matter what type, make or grain of ammo you use.
I will agree that they are a candidate, but let me be the first to tell you that they fail just like everything else.

They are my choice no matter what the event, but I practice malfunction drills as a part of every session.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:47 am
by daddySEAL
boredelmo,
I own a CZ75B that after a couple hundred break in firings has had not a single problem....but not enough rounds to truly tell(although I suspect it will always be problem free) And I've only tried the same type and grained ammo from 2 makers in it....not enough to tell.

But I'm mainly talking about easier concealable autoloaders. I've heard more than a few jam/ejection failure problems with their RAMI compact model. I personally would not put it in the same catagory as compact, subcompact Glocks. I would not feel comfortable betting my life on that model concealable CZ.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:48 am
by angrybeavis
All my CZ's are 99% reliable. The only issues i've ever had with them is one of my CZ-75's hates WWB ammo.

Another look ...

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:49 am
by TraCoun
As someone above said they can all fail at some time ...

Especially if they are not cleaned and lubricated frequently and consistently ...

I prove that to myself occassionally by being lax ...

TraCoun

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:50 am
by angrybeavis
Just saw your reply, how about a compact CZ 75? Like the P01 or PCR?

Re: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pist

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:51 am
by Liberty
jbirds1210 wrote:
daddySEAL wrote:I know Glocks have the reputation of being incredably reliable, No
Matter what type, make or grain of ammo you use.
I will agree that they are a candidate, but let me be the first to tell you that they fail just like everything else.

They are my choice no matter what the event, but I practice malfunction drills as a part of every session.
I bought my Ruger P95 because of its reputation with reliability. Its never failed on me ever. However, my niece can make it fail almost every other time she fires it, if she wants by limp wristing it.

Any gun can fail. Some just do it more often than others.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:53 am
by daddySEAL
angrybeavis
see, there's an example of what I was saying. You have more than one 75B, and other(s) are problem free...but one individual has problems.

I use WWB 180 gr. ammo with zero problems in mine.

But do you own, and have the same good luck with their RAMI concealable pistol?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:02 pm
by daddySEAL
Liberty,
I'm not saying that even Glock hasn't made a One in maybe 300,000 imperfect pistol with problems.

But there are so tested daily and jamming complaints are so hard to find, that it qualifies(after I test mine with many ammo bullet weight and powder grain combinations by different ammo makers to know....I will think the odds are that it is jam-proof.

So that's the answer I'm hoping from "extensive users"(Many, Many rounds of various types, makers, grain weights and loads) .

What other autoloader qualifies definitely......so I may be a concensus, please.

thanks

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:10 pm
by stroo
I have a Ruger P 95, a Hi Power and a Hi point that all go bang everytime. Both the P 95 and Hi Power did it right out of the box. The Hi Point took about 400 rounds.

So far..........

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:24 pm
by jbenat
Between my wife and I we have about ten semi-autos and shoot fairly often so most have been used quite a bit. Of the ten only four have been totally trouble free. They are the Baby Desert Eagle 9mm (aprox. 2000 rds), the S & W, M & P fullsized 40 caliber (aprox 3000 rds), the Sigma SW9VE (aprox. 3000 rds) and my fairly new 9mm CZ 75B (aprox. 800 rds).
I know a lot of you don't like the Sigma because of the trigger but mine has never had any kind of failure. Not enough rounds through any of them yet for a real test but this has been my experience so far. :cool:

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:03 pm
by Liberty
daddySEAL wrote:Liberty,
I'm not saying that even Glock hasn't made a One in maybe 300,000 imperfect pistol with problems.

But there are so tested daily and jamming complaints are so hard to find, that it qualifies(after I test mine with many ammo bullet weight and powder grain combinations by different ammo makers to know....I will think the odds are that it is jam-proof.

So that's the answer I'm hoping from "extensive users"(Many, Many rounds of various types, makers, grain weights and loads) .

What other autoloader qualifies definitely......so I may be a concensus, please.

thanks
Anything that looks as ugly as a Glock has to be trustworthy.

I think the Ruger P series falls into that catagory. I've put 2000 rounds through it, and never a hiccup. My Beretta for me has been reliable but the older ones have a reputation for locking block problems after 10,000 rounds but this has supposedly been addressed. I trust my Beretta, but my Ruger even more so. Anything that looks as ugly as a Glock has to be trustworthy.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:06 pm
by daddySEAL
angrybeavis,
No, not midsized versions of the 75B, I mean CZ's Really concealable CZ 2075 RAMI.(in the 6" length range.)

http://www.czusa.net/product_detail.php?id=48

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:23 pm
by Photoman
To answer the intent of the question, not necessarily the letter of it, Glock 17.