Corp of Engineers Lake

[Emmett]

I am not sure if this has been asked and answered, but I need to know if you can carry with a CHL on a Corp of Engineers lake. I am sure the answer is no, but just want to be sure.

Thanks for all info,
Emmett

[Keith B]

You are correct. No you can't.

[Emmett]

I thought so, Thank You Keith.

[BigDan]

Lake Georgetown is neat (and free), but it's unfortunate there's no swimming area. Picnic tables and boat ramps only. Definitely not worth the time even IF you could carry. LOL

[The Annoyed Man]

Are the "parking lot" protections still in force for CHLs on ACE land? If I can't carry at a lakeside picnic ground, am I still allowed to secure my weapon in my car which is parked next to the picnic table, or am I required to leave my weapon at home?

[mr.72]

I emailed the CoE folks at Lake Georgetown and they emphatically said that NO firearms are allowed on ANY part of the property including parking lots. Now I don't know whether this is the law, or just a policy, or both. There are no signs to that effect that I have seen at Lake Georgetown.

BTW I am pretty sure there is a swimming beach at Russell Park.

[wyatt]

Does anyone know how they define the property line of the area. I live in Grand Prairie and my neighbor hood is on Joe pool lake. I would like to carry when I walk down to my fishing spot but not sure what is legal and where the lines are defined. Thanks for any help

[78641]

I emailed the CoE folks at Lake Georgetown and they emphatically said that NO firearms are allowed on ANY part of the property including parking lots. Now I don't know whether this is the law, or just a policy, or both. There are no signs to that effect that I have seen at Lake Georgetown.

BTW I am pretty sure there is a swimming beach at Russell Park.

This is interesting because they do allow small game and migratory bird hunting, with shotguns, during the appropriate seasons.

[mr.72]

Yes they have hunting available and of course you are allowed to carry a rifle for hunting during those times. I wasn't asking about hunting but I asked specifically about CHL holders carrying a handgun. They have rules for the manner of carrying hunting rifles (when they can be loaded, maximum capacity, etc.) that, even if they included handguns (which they may, but I don't think they do), would preclude carrying most common SD guns anyway.

I have ridden my mountain bike there quite a lot over the past several years, but may not ride there as frequently anymore since #1 it's 20+ miles from my house so that costs some gas money and #2 it is unclear whether I can even leave a gun locked in my car legally while I am riding.

[bburgi]

Where is there documentation about not carrying on a CoE lake/property? I haven't heard that before.

[KBCraig]

Where is there documentation about not carrying on a CoE lake/property? I haven't heard that before.

It's found at 36 CFR 327.13, and is posted on the bulletin board at every CoE property. You might have to look for it, but it's there somewhere.

http://vlex.com/vid/19772258

TITLE 36 - PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

CHAPTER III - CORPS OF ENGINEERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

PART 327 - RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING PUBLIC USE OF WATER RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ADMINISTERED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS

327.13 - Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.

(a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless: (1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer; (2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites; (3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or (4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.

(b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written permission has been received from the District Commander.

[65 FR 6901, Feb. 11, 2000]

[lrb111]

Might just be me, but that one looks like it's ripe for a test case. (no, i'm not volunteering.) In Texas a travel trailer, rec. vehicle, even a tent is considered "home" when camping. In light of the SCOTUS ruliing that it must be ok in the home, it seems to be a no brainer.
Also, if anyone at all has been given permission under #4, then not allowing others might be "arbitrary and capricious".

[anygunanywhere]

Let's see.

The federal government violating the federal Bill of Rights.

Rules telling a US Citizen they can not carry on US Citizen's property.

Sounds like an infringement to me.

They probably see it as a reasonable restriction.

Anygunanywhere

[Venus Pax]

Let's see.

The federal government violating the federal Bill of Rights.

Rules telling a US Citizen they can not carry on US Citizen's property.

Sounds like an infringement to me.

They probably see it as a reasonable restriction.

Anygunanywhere

This is the problem. Most of these reasonable restrictions aren't so reasonable.

Even on this forum, most of us would disagree on the definition of reasonable.

[anygunanywhere]

Let's see.

The federal government violating the federal Bill of Rights.

Rules telling a US Citizen they can not carry on US Citizen's property.

Sounds like an infringement to me.

They probably see it as a reasonable restriction.

Anygunanywhere

This is the problem. Most of these reasonable restrictions aren't so reasonable.

Even on this forum, most of us would disagree on the definition of reasonable.

The forum does not have a "dripping with sarcasm" smilie.

Anygunanywhere