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Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:34 pm
by TDDude
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article ... 8&catid=14
Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair
Six men remain in the Scott County jail following what police call a brutal assault on a father trying to protect his daughter.
Shakopee police say as the crowd was leaving Valleyfair Amusement Park around midnight on the 4th of July, the victim's daughter was confronted by two men.
"The 12-year-old daughter was either touched or slapped in the buttocks area," Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said. "The father confronted (the men) by yelling at them for what they had done to his daughter," he added.
Police say the two men called their friends, who were also in the park. The group of seven men and a juvenile then confronted the father.
"They beat him to the ground and then, the evidence that we have, when he was on the ground, they used their feet on him. They were kicking him in the face when he was down," Ciliberto said.
According to the criminal complaints, the men were stomping on the 41-year-old father as he lay on the ground, unconscious.
He suffered severe head injuries, including a fractured right orbital bone and possible subdural bleeding on the brain. "We don't know if there are permanent injuries yet," the County Attorney said.
Shakopee Police found the suspects in the parking lot. Seven of them were arrested and one man ran from the scene and police are still looking for him. Of the seven taken into custody, one was a 14-year-old.
The six adults charged and held in jail are Devondre Evans-Lewis, Andrew Shannon, Darris Evans, Terry Arnold, Derry Evans, and Anthony Gildersleeve.
The Scott County Attorney says several of the men have criminal histories and they are all from the Twin Cities metro area. They range in age from 18 to 22-years-old.
All six adults have been charged with 3rd degree felony assault causing substantial bodily harm.
Anyone willing to admit that they wouldn't intervene??
I'm not sure what I would actually "do" but I would like to think that I would have done something to help. The story and video attached within the link mention nothing about any bystanders coming to this guys aid.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:43 pm
by seamusTX
Multiple assailants beating a guy who is already on the ground is the unlawful use of deadly force, so you would be justified in threatening and using deadly force to stop it.
It wouldn't matter at that point if the guy they were beating had asked for it. There is no legal justification for continuing to beat someone who is down.
With regard to having a revolver, you might not have to shoot at all, and shooting one actor would probably make the others flee. You also need to see some good use of speedloaders. Some shooters can reload a revolver in a second.
- Jim
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:01 pm
by TxD
seamusTX wrote:
With regard to having a revolver, you might not have to shoot at all, and shooting one actor would probably make the others flee. You also need to see some good use of speedloaders. Some shooters can reload a revolver in a second.
- Jim
Reminds me of that old math quiz.
If there are six crows on a fence and you shoot one.
How many are left?
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:27 pm
by mr.72
I am pretty good with math. I have two beautiful teenage daughters. I have heard stories like this before. I'll hedge against the crows-on-a-fence mathematical anomaly and carry double digits.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:09 pm
by Mr.Scott
This is why the wheel gun should be a snubbie that is a backup to a semi auto with at least 10 rounds.
Though admittedly I've carried just the .38 when making a quick run out of the house. I would never go anywhere where I know there will be large groups of people and not carry one of the XD's.
It's sad, but pack mentality is growing in the use of violence, and though one shot and dead POS is usually enough to get them to run, you never know when they will do something even dumber and try to attack you.
Being a father myself, I would have stepped in and helped. It's amazing that people are afraid to help these days.
I'm not going to step in if a dude slaps his wife/GF or even kid. IF it gets heated and they are yanking on hair and punch each other, I'll call the cops, but if someone is on the ground being stomped on, I'm going to try and help and make sure that person has a chance at living.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:20 pm
by Pinkycatcher
Mr.Scott wrote:This is why the wheel gun should be a snubbie that is a backup to a semi auto with at least 10 rounds.
Though admittedly I've carried just the .38 when making a quick run out of the house. I would never go anywhere where I know there will be large groups of people and not carry one of the XD's.
It's sad, but pack mentality is growing in the use of violence, and though one shot and dead POS is usually enough to get them to run, you never know when they will do something even dumber and try to attack you.
Being a father myself, I would have stepped in and helped. It's amazing that people are afraid to help these days.
I'm not going to step in if a dude slaps his wife/GF or even kid. IF it gets heated and they are yanking on hair and punch each other, I'll call the cops, but if someone is on the ground being stomped on, I'm going to try and help and make sure that person has a chance at living.
That's a good baseline I believe, at that point if it's 6 on 1 on the ground it's deadly force and it's justifiable, other than that it's a police call or let them argue it out.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:32 pm
by Dan20703
TxD wrote:Reminds me of that old math quiz.
If there are six crows on a fence and you shoot one.
How many are left?
You start popping off rounds into several of them, I would guess they would be fast on their feet in the opposite direction.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:45 pm
by agbullet2k1
TxD wrote:Reminds me of that old math quiz.
If there are six crows on a fence and you shoot one.
How many are left?
Had an argument with a teacher once who swore that the answer was 0. I just simply couldn't convince her that the one that was shot didn't leave with the others. It's ok, I didn't need the bonus points anyway.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:51 pm
by TexasComputerDude
agbullet2k1 wrote:TxD wrote:Reminds me of that old math quiz.
If there are six crows on a fence and you shoot one.
How many are left?
Had an argument with a teacher once who swore that the answer was 0. I just simply couldn't convince her that the one that was shot didn't leave with the others. It's ok, I didn't need the bonus points anyway.
maybe the teacher just winged it.
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:03 pm
by jbirds1210
Some of you folks obviously have not seen someone that knows how to REALLY shoot and reload a wheelgun (I am not one of these people). There is NO disadvantage to the wheelgun if it is in the proper hands.
Jason
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:25 pm
by seamusTX
Jerry Miculek, 12 shots in less than 3 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI
- Jim
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:33 pm
by longhorn_92
I taught him everything I know...
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:46 pm
by stevie_d_64
longhorn_92 wrote:
I taught him everything I know...
Somewhere there is an empty thimble, sitting next to "my" empty thimble...
I'm working on some new analogies...This one probably stinks...But hey, I have been told I am rather fearless...
Still it is an impressive video clip...
As for the crime mentioned above...There would probably be some very unhappy people who were involved in the assault...But that is about as far as I'll go on that...
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:54 pm
by JLaw
I am among those who believe that once the shooting starts, nobody is going to be standing around waiting to get shot. Would anyone want to stand around when the shooting starts? The bad guys don't want to get shot anymore than the good guys want to shoot them. I carry a .38 J frame quite regularly and feel well armed.
There are many on this board that I have watched shoot a wheelgun in IDPA competetion, and they can put some semi-auto guys to shame with their trigger speed and reload times. Watching a good wheelgunner shoot will give anyone a new respect for the revolver.
JLaw
Re: Good Argument Against a 6-Shooter
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:01 pm
by longtooth
I'm tryin, I'm Tryin, I'm really doing better.
Seriously, I love that new GP100 3" & it carries great in the Boom-Stick holster.
You taught me a lot lad.
