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What does anybody know about this gun? I can't seem to find much about it. I have a guy wanting to trade one to me for a Kimber.

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Much more information than I could possibly reply with here.

I dont know anything about the rifle, but it I havent seen an AK yet that I would trade a Kimber for, no matter what kind it is. Not that the AK is a bad rifle, its just that in the end, whoever makes it, its still just an AK. Thats why mine are all Century Romys. They are about the cheapest AKs on the market, and Ill bet they can keep up with any other AK no matter the cost. Just my opinion, but I would keep the Kimber, and get a Romy if your looking for an AK.

What kind of Kimber do you have?

asleepatthereel wrote:I dont know anything about the rifle, but it I havent seen an AK yet that I would trade a Kimber for, no matter what kind it is. Not that the AK is a bad rifle, its just that in the end, whoever makes it, its still just an AK. Thats why mine are all Century Romys. They are about the cheapest AKs on the market, and Ill bet they can keep up with any other AK no matter the cost. Just my opinion, but I would keep the Kimber, and get a Romy if your looking for an AK.

What kind of Kimber do you have?

That's kind of what I was thinking. I've been bit by the "evil-black-rifle" bug and was looking. I have a Compact Aluminum Stainless, series 1 (left the factory in 99). I really like it but don't carry it to oftenbecause I seem to trip thr thumb safety off withouth trying, in 3 different holsters.

Id get the safety looked at by a competant gunsmith. It may just need to be tightened up some. If I didnt already have 3 1911s I would have offered a trade for a CX4 Storm .45auto. It would have been a better trade than an AK.

Saiga is the brand name, with Izmash being the manufacturer. Izmash is the original as well as (from what I have ascertained) the current producer of current production AKs (Ak-101,103,107...I don't know what they are on now haha) for the Russian Military. So for what it is worth, this seems to be as close to a real deal Russian as there is currently on the market. That being said, I still think that kits builds are going to be the best route if you want a well built AK. All Sagias coming into the US need to be heavily modified to become like the one you see so my concern would be fit and finish issues in that conversion process (couldn't be worse than what Century Arms puts out though). I don't know what your Kimber is worth, but knowing that they command a premium price I feel confident in saying that I think you would be getting the short end of the stick on that deal, but by a small margin. The Saiga's are plentiful and are not held in the high regard of some other AKs. Rifle + modifications = $500-650 depending on who is doing it. If it were a VEPR, I would have told him to give it to me now before he changed his mind!!

kalipsocs wrote:Saiga is the brand name, with Izmash being the manufacturer. Izmash is the original as well as (from what I have ascertained) the current producer of current production AKs (Ak-101,103,107...I don't know what they are on now haha) for the Russian Military. So for what it is worth, this seems to be as close to a real deal Russian as there is currently on the market. That being said, I still think that kits builds are going to be the best route if you want a well built AK. All Sagias coming into the US need to be heavily modified to become like the one you see so my concern would be fit and finish issues in that conversion process (couldn't be worse than what Century Arms puts out though). I don't know what your Kimber is worth, but knowing that they command a premium price I feel confident in saying that I think you would be getting the short end of the stick on that deal, but by a small margin. The Saiga's are plentiful and are not held in the high regard of some other AKs. Rifle + modifications = $500-650 depending on who is doing it. If it were a VEPR, I would have told him to give it to me now before he changed his mind!!

Thanks for the info. I had a feeling I was on the short end and would have required some cash also. I think I'll just start researching an AR.


Thanks for eveyones input!

The demand and price of all black rifles has surged recently from the scare. Pistols have stayed the same, so relative value is always depending on the market at the time. I have seen way too many Kimbers floating around on this sites for sale section and a few other local sites. They seem to be priced like a steal or priced like its not used and people want what they payed for it and them some. But I guess the same has happened on black rifles too. According to trends my AR is worth more than I payed for it, but not my Springfield, Beretta, or Glock...

RECIT wrote:The demand and price of all black rifles has surged recently from the scare. Pistols have stayed the same, so relative value is always depending on the market at the time. I have seen way too many Kimbers floating around on this sites for sale section and a few other local sites. They seem to be priced like a steal or priced like its not used and people want what they payed for it and them some. But I guess the same has happened on black rifles too. According to trends my AR is worth more than I payed for it, but not my Springfield, Beretta, or Glock...

Well the scare is not over a ban on handguns, its on just those type of rifles. So basic econ, demand>supply and prices go up as items become more scarce. Lucky for us "assualt" rifles owners, now its not so much what you have its more that you plain have it and people want it before they THINK it will be outlawed. I'm sure you know, but you seem frustrated that all your guns are not worth more. Not all guns are created equal I suppose haha

Yeah that def is a Saiga. It is pretty easy to convert them to Pistol grip version. I can tell that he didnt do the true conversion and just bolted on a "fake stock and pistol grip" Once converted one can run in the $1200 dollar range if done correctly. It is a true Russian Ak. There are plenty of Saigas but noone wanting to convert them. Tromix and the like charge $450 to convert them. I can convert it in 2 hours with $80 for the parts and once Im finished I know I have a true ak and not some clone. They are very accurate comparable to a VEPR. Best AK you can buy in my opinion. I am an Ak fanatic

Tactical AK? Isn't that an oxymoron?

BTW I'm an AK guy. I just find "tacticizing" an AK to be like putting...can I say it...lipstick on a pig.

Hey, it may be a great rifle...just always strikes me funny...no harm intended.

troglodyte wrote:Tactical AK? Isn't that an oxymoron?

BTW I'm an AK guy. I just find "tacticizing" an AK to be like putting...can I say it...lipstick on a pig.

Hey, it may be a great rifle...just always strikes me funny...no harm intended.

It was originally designed to be a tactical weapon, wasn't it?

Liberty wrote:

troglodyte wrote:Tactical AK? Isn't that an oxymoron?

BTW I'm an AK guy. I just find "tacticizing" an AK to be like putting...can I say it...lipstick on a pig.

Hey, it may be a great rifle...just always strikes me funny...no harm intended.

It was originally designed to be a tactical weapon, wasn't it?

I guess I just got a mental picture of the way "tactical" is used a lot today. Rails with lights, scopes, expresso machines, shamwows all hanging off the firearm a'la Gecko 45.

No offense intended, just a humorous mental picture.

Hey guys, check out how a car can be shot to pieces with a Saiga in 2 minutes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te91g9Yr5g8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; That´s a shotgun of future )

This isn't tactical, this is TactiCool.

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