Shooting articles not well received.

[diveinstructor]

Sounds interesting. Can you post the url to your site?

[pneuby]

I'm guessing it's this one, and that he's hoping to promote his book.

But, it's only a guess.

[jimlongley]

Well, I find a lot of flaws in the articles, but it's just one person's opinion, not really fact.

[flintknapper]

I'm guessing it's this one, and that he's hoping to promote his book.

But, it's only a guess.

I couldn't help but notice this was at the bottom of the advertisement for the book (see link above):


Customers who bought this title also bought:

The Complete Fairy Tales of the Brothers Grimm All-New Third Edition.

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I am NOT making fun of the book or the articles provided by the poster, just found this to be humorous.

[extremist]

I recently wrote/updated a few articles: one on a fatal flaw of the 1911, one on the failure of Police handgun training, and one that asked the question: has your handgun training set you up to be killed. I posted two of them on a few sites, and to put it mildly, they were not received with thunderous applause :) :) :)

5shot, welcome to the forums.

I read some of your articles and while I don't vehemently disagree with you, I will say this: If your point-shooting method had any merit, the top master shooters in IDPA and USPSA would certainly have embraced the technique and they haven't. And the MAJORITY of the top shooters use the 1911 platform. Enough said.

That's not to say I disagree with point shooting. I think it's a very valuable technique AT CLOSE QUARTERS. I just think using God's intended trigger finger is in order

James

[Liberty]

More proof that the 1911 is flwed

[austin]

I happen to agree with 5shot.

If anyone disagrees, we can arrange a FOF test at any time using airsoft pistols.

You can stand there and look at your sights and I will move and shoot without looking at my sights. I guarantee that if you stand there, you will be "dead"

What we are talking about is common self defense scenarios at common ranges.

IDPA and its variants do not have the targets shooting back at you and the targets do not move, unlike real life.

Anyone want to take me up on it? Its been three years that I have made this offer and no one has yet to take me up on it.

[G.C.Montgomery]

I'll be the first to say the 1911 has it's flaws...Some more serious than others. I don't think the one indicated by the author is on my list. I do think the slide stop can be an issue for left-handed shooters but, the grip he's suggesting creates a problem that doesn't otherwise exist for 80-90% of shooters.

Point shooting itself is fairly natural. But the idea of using the middle, rather than the index finger to manipulate the trigger is not a natural grip for most people. The grip is weak and compromises the shooter's control of the firearm. Further, the grip makes weapon retention and muzzle strikes more difficult and prone to cause injury to the shooter.

On point shooting; I think point shooting is a necessary skill for close range, fast moving fights inside seven yards. The problem I have is the idea of eschewing all sighted fire in favor of P&S for all defensive shooting. I think this is just as wrong as being completely dependant on a perfect sight picture. It's my belief that shooters need to understand how to transition from point shooting at extremely close ranges to gross sight alignment or fine sight alignment as dictated by the situation.

I agree with Austin, that FOF shows us that it takes too long to acquire sights and engage threats at close range. But FOF also shows us the need to transition back to at least some form of gross sight alignment or fine/perfect sight alignment in when our background makes missing a criminal and civil liability or we create significant distance between us and the threat. A prime example is the Metro PD shooting in Houston on Tuesday. An innocent bystander was shot by the officer as engaged a man with a knife. The officer MIGHT avoid criminal charges but, I will not be surprised if the woman who was shot sues the officer and the department.

YMMV.

[KD5NRH]

Point shooting itself is fairly natural. But the idea of using the middle, rather than the index finger to manipulate the trigger is not a natural grip for most people.

It's amusing that he uses Jack Ruby as an example of the grip and successful point shooting. Ruby didn't have much choice in his grip, and he wasn't likely to miss a well-restrained target at that range regardless of method. He claims that the target area was small, but it was larger in all dimensions than the distance from the muzzle to the target. At any rate, the single hit to Oswald's abdomen was hardly a good hit by defensive (rapid incapacitation) standards; Oswald was said to be responsive in the ambulance, and wasn't pronounced dead for over an hour after the shot.

[Skiprr]

I'll eschew comment on this one. I'm a huge believer in training for contact-distance and transition-distance encounters (a lot of you have grown tired of me stepping up on that soapbox), but not in attempting to run counter to all the professional, respected instruction available--or trying to rewire a couple decades of my own training--by trying to learn to pull the trigger with my middle finger. This has always struck me as a solution persistently in search of a problem.

[boomerang]

I happen to agree with 5shot.

If anyone disagrees, we can arrange a FOF test at any time using airsoft pistols.

You can stand there and look at your sights and I will move and shoot without looking at my sights. I guarantee that if you stand there, you will be "dead"

Sure. If someone doesn't move they're almost guaranteed to get shot but that's true whether or not they look at their sights, pull the trigger with the middle or index finger, hold the gun vertical or horizontal, and shoot a Colt 1911 or a Glock 19 or a S&W model 27.

Tactics and marksmanship are different things and it could be a grave mistake to confuse the two.

[jimlongley]

When I was a kid, one of the big deals, besides "Fanner 50s" and "Greenie Stick Um Caps" was when one of the self appointed firearms experts among my peers declared that using your index finger along side the gun and the middle finger to pull the trigger was the absolutely best way to shoot. And it came back up again in the Navy when I was trying to teach sailors to shoot and there was always someone in the group that wanted to show what an expert he was and challenge the teacher, quite often by declaring that the only proper grip was the index finger alongside.

But here's a thought, just try it.

Handling a 1911, or just about any other semi-auto, in that manner is clumsy at best, at least with the several that own, 1911 or not, and downright uncomfortable and maybe even dangerous at worst.

And then there's the lesson learned with a revolver or two, where the index finger alongside grip presents a couple of other interesting problems. First, it doesn't matter which direction the cylinder indexes in, if you have big fingers they are goikng to impinge on the rotation, sometimes with a pretty painful pinch. Not to mention that if your hands are large enough and fingers long enough, and mine are, you can get some pretty nasty burns from the flash at the cylinder to barrel gap. Been there, done that.

I just don't see the slide stop pin as being a "fatal flaw", out of numerous 1911s I have shot, and many that I have tried that grip with, I have only found a couple where the pin was loose enough for me to knock it out of position significantly with my index finger during shooting, and I have tried it.

I still own the one, and carry it frequently, and haven't bothered to tighten up that slide stop.

[bdickens]

Sorry, but using the middle finger to pull the trigger is foolish. First off, why in the world would you want to weaken the grip on your pistol like that? You leave only your two weakest fingers, your ring and pinky holding onto an object that is violently whipping upwards. Secondly, your index finger is far more dextrous than the middle and therefore better able to perform a smooth manipulation of the trigger. Thirdly, laying your index finger along the slide exposes it to the likelihood of injury, either from lacerations or, in the case of a revolver, from the hot gasses that come out from the gap between the cylinder and the forcing cone.

[Bily Lovec]

I breezed thru the OP's website and read a few "articles"
I didnt see his resume posted anywhere, can someone link it for me ?

p.s.
what you're calling a design flaw with the 1911, is actually improper grip. really.