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Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:48 am
by Kevinf2349
Recently I have been in the habit of rotating which magazine holds the defensive rounds. Evrytime I shoot a weapon, I clean the gun and the magazine used at the range and then load one of those mags with PD ammo. The system seems to work fine but I have a few of questions.

1) What is the best way to mark (number) the magazines without damaging them?
2) Is rotating the magazines really of any importance? My theory was to relieve the tension on the spring more than anything else
3) What is the optimum number of magazines per weapon?
4) Do you keep a magazine (or two) loaded with PD ammo all the time? (even while at the range)

I usually drop out the PD mag, clear the gun and put the mag to one side until I have finished shooting so that magazine isn't used at the range with range ammo.

I guess I am trying to make sure I don't damage a magazine by keeping it under permanent load.

Any thoughts/comments wlecomed. :tiphat:

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:55 am
by Cosmo 9
Working the spring will cause wear, leaving it compressed will not.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:58 am
by Kevinf2349
Thanks Cosmo.

So are you saying that I should keep range mags totally seperate from my carry mags and leave the carry mags full?

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:13 am
by Pinkycatcher
Kevinf2349 wrote:Thanks Cosmo.

So are you saying that I should keep range mags totally seperate from my carry mags and leave the carry mags full?
Test everything, but no need to rotate, if you have a bad magazine then don't use it, but that's what magazines are designed for.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:21 am
by joe817
My personal belief is that it makes no difference to either keep your mags full or empty. The springs will eventually wear out & then it comes time to replace them.

Constant tension on a spring does not weaken the mag spring. It's the emptying/refilling cycle of the mag over time that does.

I've always kept every mag I own fully charged when being stored. Admittedly I am a casual shooter and don't shoot multiple 100's of rounds when I do go to the range. And come to think of it, I've never had a magazine spring break on me due to use or wear.

Just my $.02 worth. :tiphat:

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:19 pm
by C-dub
Kevinf2349 wrote:Recently I have been in the habit of rotating which magazine holds the defensive rounds. Evrytime I shoot a weapon, I clean the gun and the magazine used at the range and then load one of those mags with PD ammo. The system seems to work fine but I have a few of questions.

1) What is the best way to mark (number) the magazines without damaging them?
2) Is rotating the magazines really of any importance? My theory was to relieve the tension on the spring more than anything else
3) What is the optimum number of magazines per weapon?
4) Do you keep a magazine (or two) loaded with PD ammo all the time? (even while at the range)

I usually drop out the PD mag, clear the gun and put the mag to one side until I have finished shooting so that magazine isn't used at the range with range ammo.

I guess I am trying to make sure I don't damage a magazine by keeping it under permanent load.

Any thoughts/comments wlecomed. :tiphat:
1. I used to number my mags with a sharpie. Even that began to wear off and I went to putting them in the drawer so that when I did rotate them I would just pick the ones the closest to the edge to load. The empties go to the inside and eventually make their way to the edge.

2. No real importance. Other than when I go to the range I rotate about every six months. For me, that means the unloaded mags stay unloaded for about a year.

3. Personal preference. I have nine 15 round mags, three 10 round mags, and three 9 rounders for the G27. I don't ever use the 10 rounders anymore.

4. House gun, G22, is loaded with a 15 rounder at all times. Carry gun, G27, is always loaded with a 9 rounder and two spare 15 rounders. At the range, if I'm not shooting the G27, it is concealed and loaded with the extra mags also concealed. I'll no use other mags while shooting the G22. If I'm shooting the G27 I still keep the spare mags loaded and concealed. I know, it's confusing, but no one ever said anything the easy way.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:24 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
I usuallty rotate between Texas Monthy and GUNS Magazine. :mrgreen:

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:09 pm
by seniorshooteress
Who decided to call the things that hold the ammo in the auto handguns a magazine anyway?

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:20 pm
by The Annoyed Man
seniorshooteress wrote:Who decided to call the things that hold the ammo in the auto handguns a magazine anyway?
It's quite an old term. The ammo "bunkers" on board a naval ship are called the magazines. "Magazine" is just another word for the place, or device, where ammunition is stored.

MerriamWebster.com
Main Entry: mag·a·zine
Pronunciation: \ˈma-gə-ˌzēn, ˌma-gə-ˈ\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic makhāzin, plural of makhzan storehouse
Date: 1583
1 : a place where goods or supplies are stored : warehouse
2 : a room in which powder and other explosives are kept in a fort or a ship
3 : the contents of a magazine: as a : an accumulation of munitions of war b : a stock of provisions or goods
4 a : a periodical containing miscellaneous pieces (as articles, stories, poems) and often illustrated; also : such a periodical published online b : a similar section of a newspaper usually appearing on Sunday c : a radio or television program presenting usually several short segments on a variety of topics
5 : a supply chamber: as a : a holder in or on a gun for cartridges to be fed into the gun chamber b : a lightproof chamber for films or plates on a camera or for film on a motion-picture projecto

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:12 pm
by gigag04
My department has upwards of 130 officers who keep a full gun, and two mags full - all the time. I have yet to see a magazine go out because of being loaded 24/7/365.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:16 pm
by jester
Kevinf2349 wrote:1) What is the best way to mark (number) the magazines without damaging them?
Nail polish on the baseplate.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:28 pm
by flintknapper
gigag04 wrote:My department has upwards of 130 officers who keep a full gun, and two mags full - all the time. I have yet to see a magazine go out because of being loaded 24/7/365.
:iagree:

And you never will.

"PROPERLY" designed/manufactured springs do NOT "take a set" and do NOT need a "rest". They can only lose "power" (the ability to return to their designed shape/position) by means of cycling.

The one exception is when/if a spring is compressed or stretched beyond its design limit (modulus of elasticity), then.... permanent damage is done.

The only good reason to "rotate" a magazine.. is to occasionally clean and inspect it for damage, the spring itself (if properly manufactured) should be fine.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:46 pm
by MoJo
Magazine springs are cheap if you are worried about them then change them periodicaly. Magazines are semi-expendiables in my opinion. I don't get my shorts all in a knot over them.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:28 pm
by cope
There is no need to waste precious energy worrying about your magazines.

Just load them with reliable ammo and carry two or three with you at all times.

Re: Magazine Rotation

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:56 am
by texjames
cope wrote:There is no need to waste precious energy worrying about your magazines.

Just load them with reliable ammo and carry two or three with you at all times.
I agree...I just leave my defense ammo in the magazines and take my spares to the range.
I know they all work cause i tested them all out when i bought them...
also on the term of being called magazines....i grew up with my Dad..(WWII Vet) calling them "clips"...its been hard for me
to use the correct term magazine over the years.