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Oh my...All of my pistols are M&Ps.

so whats shredding the target

nevermind I just reread the original post

I saw a Hickok45 video that showed a cracked rail

I was remembering the video wrong,it wasnt the M&P 9 it was the 40c and it wasn't the rail that cracked it was the slide

I may have said it before, but there are several quality issues, and pitiful oversights that plague the M&P. Choose carefully my friends, if your life relies on your gun, make it worth it. Aside from the sometimes faulty design, you need quality material for a quality handgun, I thought everybody knew that by now, or learned their lesson from PRIOR mistakes...

A Glock or Springfield Armory XD(M) is a great alternative to the S&W M&P. Great durability and reliability can be found in the Glock, and great quality with superior accuracy are found in the XD(M). There are several great guns you can choose from, but please don't just buy a gun like the M&P for aesthetics alone. You might say it's like choosing a woman for her looks alone, you can brag, but you might starve to death when she lets you down and doesn't cook for you. (I always gotta through in an analogy... )

AndyC wrote:Just happened to come across this on Facebook:

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I'm not clear on what the photo is illustrating.

There's nothing remarkable about the groups that I can see.

The closeup appears to show impacts from projectiles that are much smaller than 9mm projectiles.

If these marks came from the shots, the only explanation I can think of is that the bullet jackets are separating in flight. That would be most unusual. I couldn't say a gun couldn't cause that, but I'd have to think a bit to figure out how. The first thing I would look at would be ammunition, but Chris indicates that it's happening with 3 different brands and that barrels are also failing catastrophically.

The other unusual thing is that I can't find any recent reports of similar issues by anyone else. A web search turned up nothing. Of course it could be a new problem with a recently manufactured batch, but Chris doesn't tell us which models are involved.

We need more info to make heads or tails of this. Has anyone seen any further info on what Chris believes is happening here?

I have two M&P 9mm handguns for over 5 years, the 9C and a 4.25" full size. I carry the full size daily and shoot both and have never had a failure. I inspect the barrels when cleaning and have not seen anything unusual (visibly anyway).

As Excaliber said, would be helpful to know specifics about the manufacture.

nice groups

patterson wrote:nice groups

I would agree, and as I look at it, maybe they were shooting RIP rounds that were losing their (winglets?) mid flight or through a light barrier test. That's what I can imagine it would look like.

Looks like keyholing.. bullets not being stabilized ?

In the enlarged picture you can see that many of the unexplained cuts in the target are similar in size and shape.

I'd like to see the process repeated with a backstop that captures the projectiles so we could see what the odd holes are being caused by and what the main body of the fired projectile looks like after it's lost some pieces (if that's what's happening.)