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Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:13 am
by jiggerachi
Just realized that i've been carrying an empty chamber every day for the last...who knows how many weeks/months...

Full mag, nothing in the pipe. Ammo is precious these days so I haven't been to the range in awhile, no reason to clean it. Check for rust every now & then, but with this one it's usually belt > console(work) > belt > nightstand. Went to check something the other day and had an O...M...G moment.

I'm always methodical about unloading / unchambering /checking before doing anything, then load / chamber / decock. Not sure what went wrong this time. I think I had some friends over with kids so I put it up and unchambered both nighstand guns. That was months ago, haha.

Lesson learned. Check those chambers everyday gentlemen. :cheers2:

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:38 am
by RPB
When nanoseconds count, it'll only take a minute to chamber a round.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:50 am
by thatguy
jiggerachi wrote:Just realized that i've been carrying an empty chamber every day for the last...who knows how many weeks/months...

Full mag, nothing in the pipe. Ammo is precious these days so I haven't been to the range in awhile, no reason to clean it. Check for rust every now & then, but with this one it's usually belt > console(work) > belt > nightstand. Went to check something the other day and had an O...M...G moment.

I'm always methodical about unloading / unchambering /checking before doing anything, then load / chamber / decock. Not sure what went wrong this time. I think I had some friends over with kids so I put it up and unchambered both nighstand guns. That was months ago, haha.

Lesson learned. Check those chambers everyday gentlemen. :cheers2:

Dry fire practice..?

Lock box..?

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:19 am
by bjthompson
Though its no substitute for a visual check I still love the "chambered round" indicator on my XD and Kahr.
jiggerachi wrote:Just realized that i've been carrying an empty chamber every day for the last...who knows how many weeks/months...

Full mag, nothing in the pipe. Ammo is precious these days so I haven't been to the range in awhile, no reason to clean it. Check for rust every now & then, but with this one it's usually belt > console(work) > belt > nightstand. Went to check something the other day and had an O...M...G moment.

I'm always methodical about unloading / unchambering /checking before doing anything, then load / chamber / decock. Not sure what went wrong this time. I think I had some friends over with kids so I put it up and unchambered both nighstand guns. That was months ago, haha.

Lesson learned. Check those chambers everyday gentlemen. :cheers2:

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:49 am
by MoJo
Do a press check whenever you put your gun on if it's been out of your hands or holster for any reason. A press check only takes a second, chambering a round in a gunfight may take the rest of your life.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:37 am
by goose
I did a press check just last week, knowing full well I'd see the shiny silver case of the Golden Saber. It wasn't there.
I have always (knock on wood) had great success with safety behaving as if every gun were loaded. It is a subtle shift in the defensive mindset to actually make sure that the ones you intend to be, are.

A good share, thank you!

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:06 am
by cbunt1
Along those lines . . . (trying NOT to get on one of my soapboxes) :shock:

I found out the hard way (at a match) that the way we handle our guns on a day-to-day basis becomes routine, and under stress that we will revert to our training (or learning). In short, I was in the habit of removing my pistol at bedtime, against the safe-direction declared in the bedroom, and setting it in its designated "night spot," followed by simply removing my spare magazines and laying them beside the gun. Morning routine was to verify the condition of the pistol and slip it in my holster, followed by placing spare mags on my belt. All of this happened at more-or-less waist or chest level.

I found that under the artificial stress of a match, my magazine draw for reloads had me pulling the mag from the pouch and going to chest level with them, then making the conscious decision to put it in the gun. My pistol draw in the same conditions had me pulling the gun from the holster, "connecting" (my other hand) at waist level, and then making the conscious decision to bring it to eye level and "use" it.

Why? Simple. I arm and disarm 7 times (or more) per week, and at least once each per day. I draw and fire maybe 3-4 sets of repetitions per month under the structure of a match. Which do you think became more ingrained in my "muscle memory?" Obviously my administrative methods more than my live-fire methods.

I was shooting an IDPA match, and one of the world-class masters showed up and as usual, I observed a couple of characteristics that separate the masters from the marksmen, and I started asking him some questions. To summarize the conversation, he told me that when he draws a pistol for ANY reason, it comes out of the holster, and goes up for action; he THEN makes a decision whether to fire or not. Same for magazines. When he comes off the belt with a magazine, it's going to the gun as quickly as possible, and stopping JUST before insertion -- the decision then is to line up and slam it home, or to "stand down". The point is that the muscle memory of "filling his hand" is the same whether he's just putting the gun on/taking it off, or getting down to business.

My morning routine now includes holstering, drawing, gaining a sight picture, swapping magazines, press-checking, and reholstering -- all as though I'm about to fire a round (finger clear of the trigger, muzzle in a designated safe direction). My nightly unload routine includes a full draw and present, complete with sight picture. With the gun still in my dominant hand, each magazine on my belt comes out, and goes to the gun (often a tactical reload, just because), followed by a final and distinct final 'resolution" (i.e. put it in its designated night spot). When that's done, the gun gets a press-check to confirm chamber & magazine condition (always verify every time I handle it).

Why did I change all this? Because I once discovered that I was carrying a cocked & locked 1911 with nothing in the chamber. The upshot is that I'm even MORE in the habit of checking the chamber of every gun that I encounter (always treated every gun as though it is loaded; now I verify for myself each and every time), and that my changes in the way I handle the administrative details of daily carry has shaved easily a 1/2 second off of both my reloads and draw & fire on the clock. Sure enough, we do fight like we train, so we should train like we're going to fight. We all handle our guns more often in administrative mode than in "for real" mode;

So if you ever see some of us at "playtime" (Matches, etc.) going through what look like silly and elaborate routines just prior to shooting a standard 6-shot timed drill, at least in my case it's for consistency.

A good share, by the way. I suspect we've all been there, or will go there at some point.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:40 pm
by Jumping Frog
My morning routine now includes holstering, drawing, gaining a sight picture, swapping magazines, press-checking, and reholstering -- all as though I'm about to fire a round (finger clear of the trigger, muzzle in a designated safe direction). My nightly unload routine includes a full draw and present, complete with sight picture. With the gun still in my dominant hand, each magazine on my belt comes out, and goes to the gun (often a tactical reload, just because), followed by a final and distinct final 'resolution" (i.e. put it in its designated night spot). When that's done, the gun gets a press-check to confirm chamber & magazine condition (always verify every time I handle it).
Chris, why in the world would you unload and reload on a daily basis? That is more dangerous, in my opinion, than simply leaving it loaded. First, it is unnecessary gun handling. Second, you may need it to defend yourself during a home invasion. Third and most important, the frequent load/unload cycles risk bullet setback and a gun KABOOM.

On a different note, I agree with your muscle memory observations. I just don't like daily loading/unloading.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:47 pm
by puma guy
:shock: :shock:
I check the chambered round indicator even though I know there is one in the pipe.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:25 pm
by cbunt1
Jumping Frog wrote: Chris, why in the world would you unload and reload on a daily basis? That is more dangerous, in my opinion, than simply leaving it loaded. First, it is unnecessary gun handling. Second, you may need it to defend yourself during a home invasion. Third and most important, the frequent load/unload cycles risk bullet setback and a gun KABOOM.

On a different note, I agree with your muscle memory observations. I just don't like daily loading/unloading.
Bob, I just rotate through the mags, as in a tac-load (both for practice, and to check that each mag seats correctly, every time). I don't actually pop a round in and out of the chamber . . . I do, however, press check it. I'm "always live" in that context, especially with a 1911 and it's notorious nature for bullet setback. Thank you for bringing that up -- I don't think I was as clear as I intended. :oops:

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:29 am
by jiggerachi
Yea it's a bersa .380cc with the loaded inticator. I've trained myself to ignore it and check for shiny brass, just hadn't had it out of the holster in awhile. I do draw & drifire frequently but I started a new job and radically switched up my schedule so i've had other things on my mind the last few months. Ironically this same schedule that puts me through Irving and into downtown at midnight....with an empty chaimber <forehead smack>

One thing I love about my CZ P07, you can just tilt the gun and see a gleam of brass sitting in the chaimber, no slide check needed, no indicator needed, but it's not near as easy to carry as the bersa CC.

Yep I've learned to look for brass everytime now. It's an embarrassing lesson but i'm glad I learned it.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:32 am
by jiggerachi
thatguy wrote: Dry fire practice..?

Lock box..?
Have a nice big safe, no lockbox needed, but like to keep at least one somewhat accessible, just not to kids.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:56 am
by Abraham
It happened to me once.

I was astonished.

Since, I check regularly and it's never happened again.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:39 pm
by Jumping Frog
cbunt1 wrote: Bob, I just rotate through the mags, as in a tac-load (both for practice, and to check that each mag seats correctly, every time). I don't actually pop a round in and out of the chamber . . .
That makes good sense to me. Thanks for explaining.

Re: Check the chaimber!

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:58 pm
by Dragonfighter
My wife has cocked an eyebrow at me for doing a pipe check before I holster or when I check the cylinder should I be putting on the Model 36. BUT, she looks at me odd for a number of things, daily, so I'm used to it.

OT, Anyone watch Hawaii Five-O. I was tickled to see McGarrett do a pipe check once and they never rack a slide before engaging. You set aside that someone is shot every week and rounds from a rifle hitting composite helicopter skin and throwing sparks...you have a pretty good show.