Non-Compliant 30.06 signs

[GeekDad]

So I have been at Childrens medical center in Dallas this week due to my son not gaining weight. (He is doing better now thankfully)

Day 1 my mind is on my son, but as I am walking in, I know I should look for a 30.06 sign for future sake cause will be making follow up appoints over the next 3 months.
- I never saw a sign, I was looking too. I went through multiple doors and entrances once we got in our room, and never could find one.

Day 2
- I see them now... on most of the Automatic doors on a clear sticker, very small, very hard to notice... its the correct verbiage... I will get a couple of pictures today. But these signs are not compliant with the size requirements nor are they in contrasting colors.

So basically when you get a non-compliant sign, do you guys ignore, or since the verbiage is updated would you follow it or would you treat it like the Grapevine Mills?

[Keith B]

So I have been at Childrens medical center in Dallas this week due to my son not gaining weight. (He is doing better now thankfully)

Day 1 my mind is on my son, but as I am walking in, I know I should look for a 30.06 sign for future sake cause will be making follow up appoints over the next 3 months.
- I never saw a sign, I was looking too. I went through multiple doors and entrances once we got in our room, and never could find one.

Day 2
- I see them now... on most of the Automatic doors on a clear sticker, very small, very hard to notice... its the correct verbiage... I will get a couple of pictures today. But these signs are not compliant with the size requirements nor are they in contrasting colors.

So basically when you get a non-compliant sign, do you guys ignore, or since the verbiage is updated would you follow it or would you treat it like the Grapevine Mills?

Basically it is a personal choice for me. Each sign will be treated differently. If nowhere near the right size or totally off on wording (not the old language like Grapevine Mills Mall), then I will ignore it. If close or the old language, the I may abide by the sign. For Grapevine Mills Mall, I abide by it due to the stance of the city and the fact they may arrest you if caught carrying. I know I can beat the rap, but may not beat the ride.

[texanron]

I've come across two non-compliant 30.06 signs. I carried past them both.

[GeekDad]

So I have been at Childrens medical center in Dallas this week due to my son not gaining weight. (He is doing better now thankfully)

Day 1 my mind is on my son, but as I am walking in, I know I should look for a 30.06 sign for future sake cause will be making follow up appoints over the next 3 months.
- I never saw a sign, I was looking too. I went through multiple doors and entrances once we got in our room, and never could find one.

Day 2
- I see them now... on most of the Automatic doors on a clear sticker, very small, very hard to notice... its the correct verbiage... I will get a couple of pictures today. But these signs are not compliant with the size requirements nor are they in contrasting colors.

So basically when you get a non-compliant sign, do you guys ignore, or since the verbiage is updated would you follow it or would you treat it like the Grapevine Mills?

Basically it is a personal choice for me. Each sign will be treated differently. If nowhere near the right size or totally off on wording (not the old language like Grapevine Mills Mall), then I will ignore it. If close or the old language, the I may abide by the sign. For Grapevine Mills Mall, I abide by it due to the stance of the city and the fact they may arrest you if caught carrying. I know I can beat the rap, but may not beat the ride.

Well if you get caught carrying the sign it is the least of your concern, guess you were not concealing well enough.

My argument is more or less in the event you have to use your gun now you have to deal with the sign and your burden of self defense.

[GeekDad]

Here is their sign... its so bad I this is the best of 5 pictures.

[74novaman]

A rehab (physical rehab, not drug) center my grandfather was at had a non compliant 30.06....they posted in smaller than 1" letters, and didn't post in spanish at all.

I carried past it.

[Oldgringo]

So I have been at Childrens medical center in Dallas this week due to my son not gaining weight. (He is doing better now thankfully)

Day 1 my mind is on my son, but as I am walking in, I know I should look for a 30.06 sign for future sake cause will be making follow up appoints over the next 3 months.
- I never saw a sign, I was looking too. I went through multiple doors and entrances once we got in our room, and never could find one.

Day 2
- I see them now... on most of the Automatic doors on a clear sticker, very small, very hard to notice... its the correct verbiage... I will get a couple of pictures today. But these signs are not compliant with the size requirements nor are they in contrasting colors.

So basically when you get a non-compliant sign, do you guys ignore, or since the verbiage is updated would you follow it or would you treat it like the Grapevine Mills?

Basically it is a personal choice for me. Each sign will be treated differently. If nowhere near the right size or totally off on wording (not the old language like Grapevine Mills Mall), then I will ignore it. If close or the old language, the I may abide by the sign. For Grapevine Mills Mall, I abide by it due to the stance of the city and the fact they may arrest you if caught carrying. I know I can beat the rap, but may not beat the ride.

Keith B pretty well sums up the diachotomy of the "almost" compliant 30.06 sign. It's a matter/question of personal choice, owner's intent, conviction/courage and last, but not least; the depth of your pockets.

[Keith B]

Here is their sign... its so bad I this is the best of 5 pictures.

Definately not contrasting as the wall behind it is light colored. Really can't tell how large the letters are though.

[GeekDad]

Definitely not contrasting as the wall behind it is light colored. Really can't tell how large the letters are though.

I will get a picture with a quarter over some letters when I get a chance. The sign is only about a foot tall.

[RPB]

Definitely not contrasting as the wall behind it is light colored. Really can't tell how large the letters are though.

I will get a picture with a quarter over some letters when I get a chance. The sign is only about a foot tall.

Obviously non-compliant if that small, I personally would ignore it because I can't see it, because it isn't compliant, so I didn't receive effective notice, because I can't see it, because it's non-compliant ...

I can't read the "persons licensed under ...???? ... no matter, it's non-compliant anyway

The picture seems to prohibit knives too, good thing it's not a surgery center

[OldCurlyWolf]

So I have been at Childrens medical center in Dallas this week due to my son not gaining weight. (He is doing better now thankfully)

Day 1 my mind is on my son, but as I am walking in, I know I should look for a 30.06 sign for future sake cause will be making follow up appoints over the next 3 months.
- I never saw a sign, I was looking too. I went through multiple doors and entrances once we got in our room, and never could find one.

Day 2
- I see them now... on most of the Automatic doors on a clear sticker, very small, very hard to notice... its the correct verbiage... I will get a couple of pictures today. But these signs are not compliant with the size requirements nor are they in contrasting colors.

So basically when you get a non-compliant sign, do you guys ignore, or since the verbiage is updated would you follow it or would you treat it like the Grapevine Mills?

I am not 100% uptodate with all the nuances of the current Texas laws but doesn't Sec. 46.035(b)A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
Make a bad 30.06 sign a moot point?

[apostate]

Only if you ignore (i)

[Keith B]

As Apostate said, you must read on down to section (i) which states hospitals, churches, amusement parks and meeting of Government Entities must post 30.06 to prohibit a license holder. This was changed after the initial statutes were in place and they just added section (i) instead of rewriting the whole statute and having to modify any other statute that referenced one of the subsections of 46.035.

[chasfm11]

Here is their sign... its so bad I this is the best of 5 pictures.

Several of the medical facilities that I've been in have a similar setup. The Harris Methodist-Southlake has the white on glass letters which I'd judge to be the proper size but because it isn't contrasting, it is very easy to miss, even as you walk through the door, because of the glare on the glass.

We can make our own decisions about how to handle potentially non-compliant signs. Walking past a mis-worded sign like the one on Grapevine Mills mall is one thing. Walking past one that may not have good contrast is another, at least for me. Assuming that the letters are the correct size, I'd be more inclined not to be a test case over the contrast. A cloudy day with no light in the hallway behind the glass might produce a completely different look.