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[nitrogen]

Big problem with handcuffing is it's usually a 2-man job; one person to cover the "actor" and another person to cuff them.

Thats the big reason I posted "facepalm" in response.

[RPB]

I tend to agree with the majority here about trying to put handcuffs on the BG, but I'll share a little here.

I was born with no left hand, but in the 1970s appllied to work for a Police Dept in a city near Houston (Before Americans with Disabilities Act, they just had a sign on the front desk "If you're handicapped, don't apply" ..... so, I did, because I didn't consider myself handicapped since I had a .400 batting average and could do anything a 2-hander could, plus get my left stub into places they can't to wash drinking glasses they couldn't etc.

Anyway, they didn't want to hire me even though I did better on the Civil Service exam, did better on the obstacle course etc etc etc than the other applicants.

So, they took me in a room with their martial arts instructor, turned on a tape recorder, asked if I was familiar with handcuffs, and I replied no, then said handcuff that guy over there (the martial arts instuctor) He resisted .... Well, I got him cuffed, double locked the cuffs, and he only bled a little, (just pinched a little skin in the hinge) but they gave him the rest of the day off, and said that's why we can't hire you, excessive force made him bleed.

Handcuffs can be a very effective weapon the BG can use against you too, especially if you can only get one on him.

For many many years I did some gunsmithing etc for the local Dept, was freinds with all of them, and I did have cuffs at my house and carry cuffs in the car in case they needed an extra pair, but I wouldn't put them on anyone by myself, even though NOW I know how to better .... body mechanics. which way their elbow bends when I reach through and bend heir elbow for them, which could not be done by reaching around ... etc etc etc.

So Still, I have a pair at the house, and a pair in my car, but I'd only offer them to LEO, not use them myself.


That's just me.

[R_Comstock]

I would say not to use them... . I have years of experience in using cuffs on idiots. It's not easy thing to do. You can get hurt doing it also. Definitely need practice with them.

What he said. We spend nearly a week at boarding officer school just going over handcuffing because there are so many variables and legal issues that come with the iron bracelets. It's very dangerous to do and (if the BG has a good lawyer) could have legal recoil on you for "unlawfully restraining."

When it comes to all these 'what-ifs' I encourage everyone to think to themselves "How would I explain it in court?" That thinking alone can go a long way to ensuring your lasting freedom no matter what the situation.

[PappaGun]

I own a pair and keep them in my vehicle cuz I might need em to secure my kids bike or something (should he forget the combination to his lock, again).

[jmra]

If he gets up a attempts to leave he is committing another felony - shoot him again. Our instructor showed us a video in which bg enters the store and pulls out a gun at which point instructor stops the video and asks if we can legally shoot the bg if his back was to us. Many in the class said you can't shoot bg in the back - instructor said wrong. Start video - while pulling gun bg drops it on the counter - stop video instructor says still legal to shoot. Start video bg turns your direction - stop video according to instructor still legal to shoot. Start video bg runs out of the door - stop video instructor says still legal to shoot because crime is still in progress. Instructor was retired marine instructor who has been chl instructor for number of years.

[C-dub]

He may be correct, but he's still not a lawyer or THE judge. However, if I ever need one I would like him on my jury.

[mctowalot]

Ladies and gentlemen, Gray (the OP) has left the buiding... Or he's not posting anymore according to his profile - a shame considering it was due to a misunderstanding.

That said, thank you,I learned a lot from your posts, and hope Santa brings me that backpack - and all this time I thought I was the only one here that wears a pack!

IMHO one more reason one may not want to cuff a person who has been shot is that the cuffing could add to the "health issues" he (the one who just got shot) is suffering from.
Just my 2 cents.
Merry Christmas!

[R_Comstock]

If he gets up a attempts to leave he is committing another felony - shoot him again. Our instructor showed us a video in which bg enters the store and pulls out a gun at which point instructor stops the video and asks if we can legally shoot the bg if his back was to us. Many in the class said you can't shoot bg in the back - instructor said wrong. Start video - while pulling gun bg drops it on the counter - stop video instructor says still legal to shoot. Start video bg turns your direction - stop video according to instructor still legal to shoot. Start video bg runs out of the door - stop video instructor says still legal to shoot because crime is still in progress. Instructor was retired marine instructor who has been chl instructor for number of years.

In my opinion, everything presented here defies legal logic. I'd have to review the state law but here's how federal law views this:

1)"Pulls out a gun..." First of all, is he just pulling it out or is he drawing it and aiming? If the latter is so then yes, you have legal authority to shoot because this is a threat. If he's not aiming it, he's only "brandishing" at this point and is not necessarily a threat. That his back to you is of negligible importance.
2)"Drops it on the counter..." BG is no longer armed. Legal to shoot based on previous threat but you'd better find a good lawyer and a friendly judge/jury.
3)"BG turns your direction..." Again..unarmed. Refer to #2
4)"Runs out the door..." Again...unarmed. However, this is where it gets a little grey. The law says that if you perceive the BG to be a threat to the public at large, you can shoot him while he's running. Because he's now unarmed, he's not necessarily a threat and you'd still have to find that lawyer and judge. It should also be noted that the crime is NOT any longer in progress once the BG turns and runs.

I am not a lawyer, I'm only giving my opinion based on my training and experience as a federal law enforcement officer.