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Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:27 pm
by vrentropy
Okay, please pardon if this is old news. I recently moved to Texas and so I am looking into what is needed to get a CHL and where to do it close to the Spring area.
I moved from Nebraska (please no salt in the wounds of the game Saturday
) and it seems there are some differences. There I could do the shooting part with any handgun (caliber or type) and obtain a license to carry whatever firearm I might have.
I was asking in a shop recently and they informed me that if I take the class and use a revolver for the shooting, I can then ONLY carry a revolver.
I guess my questions are:
1) Are there different types of CHLs?
2) Where is a good place for someone on a budget to fulfill the requirements close to spring?
3) Can the Husker's borrow someone's offense? Please?
Thanks for such a great and informative site!
Don
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:34 pm
by Carrots
Yes, if you qualify with a revolver then you can only carry a revolver. If you qualify with a semi auto you can carry whichever you like. Once issued the CHL itself will be marked “NSA” or “SA” (Non semi or Semi). Good luck with it.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:34 pm
by ELB
1. For the shooting test for the CHL, you can shoot with either a semi-auto or a revolver. If you qualify with a semi-auto, your CHL will be marked for semi-auto and you can legally carry concealed either a semi-auto or revolver. If you qualify with a revolver, your CHL will be marked for revolver, and you can legally carry concealed only a revolver. Even if you really only want a revolver, I highly recommend you qual with a semi-auto (it ain't hard) anyway.
2. Dunno about this one.
3. I just checked -- I'm fresh out of offensive teams. Sorry.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:41 pm
by timdsmith72
2) Check out this place. It's where I took my class and I thought the class was done really well. Everything included for $110 I think is pretty good.
EDIT to add the link I forgot.
http://www.chl-tx.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:46 pm
by karl
Greg Smith with OneDayCHL is a pretty nice guy. Cheap too.
http://onedaychl.com/
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:55 pm
by The Sarge
Many here in Texas get Utah Non Res CHL's. No range requirements and good in Texas for Semi Auto or Wheel guns.....I have both Texas and Utah but my wife carry's with her Utah Non Res only....And Utah is much cheaper than Texas.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:15 pm
by ELB
Many here in Texas get Utah Non Res CHL's. ...
There is one small catch. The federal Gun Free School Zone Act makes it a crime to have a gun within 1000 feet of an elementary or high school, unless you have a concealed handgun license
issued by the state in which the school zone is located (or it is unloaded and locked up or you are a cop, etc). There have not been many prosecutions under this law, but there have been some. On a practical basis, the risk of being caught seems small, but it is something you may wish to consider. I don't worry about it much when I go to other states and drive around, but I like having my Tx CHL when I am repeatedly passing all the schools in my home area.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:13 am
by vrentropy
Thanks for the great info guys. I have a bit more of a wait til I have been in state long enough, but only a few more weeks. . . .
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:01 pm
by The Sarge
ELB wrote:Many here in Texas get Utah Non Res CHL's. ...
There is one small catch. The federal Gun Free School Zone Act makes it a crime to have a gun within 1000 feet of an elementary or high school, unless you have a concealed handgun license
issued by the state in which the school zone is located (or it is unloaded and locked up or you are a cop, etc). There have not been many prosecutions under this law, but there have been some. On a practical basis, the risk of being caught seems small, but it is something you may wish to consider. I don't worry about it much when I go to other states and drive around, but I like having my Tx CHL when I am repeatedly passing all the schools in my home area.
Well not really...we asked in class....and this was discussed in detail...if your carrying a Utah CHL and you are driving by a school your ok...if you stop in the parking lot your not OK....I have both my Texas and Utah....
You infer if your just driving down a public road you have to stay a 1000' from the school and that is not accurate....as long as you are in your car and driving along your OK....
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:16 pm
by Purplehood
The Sarge wrote:ELB wrote:Many here in Texas get Utah Non Res CHL's. ...
There is one small catch. The federal Gun Free School Zone Act makes it a crime to have a gun within 1000 feet of an elementary or high school, unless you have a concealed handgun license
issued by the state in which the school zone is located (or it is unloaded and locked up or you are a cop, etc). There have not been many prosecutions under this law, but there have been some. On a practical basis, the risk of being caught seems small, but it is something you may wish to consider. I don't worry about it much when I go to other states and drive around, but I like having my Tx CHL when I am repeatedly passing all the schools in my home area.
Well not really...we asked in class....and this was discussed in detail...if your carrying a Utah CHL and you are driving by a school your ok...if you stop in the parking lot your not OK....I have both my Texas and Utah....
You infer if your just driving down a public road you have to stay a 1000' from the school and that is not accurate....as long as you are in your car and driving along your OK....
Just out of curiosity, why are you okay? Does the MPA grant you an exception or are we expecting the LEO to be understanding?
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:09 pm
by The Sarge
MPA?
In class (both Texas and Utah) the question was asked about schools. Also the question was asked about the non licensed (No CHL) carry in Texas (traveling)...and the answer to all was "if you are driving by a school and you have a gun in your car (concealed) then you have no issue....If you park ( say to pick up a child) within a 1000' of a school of course different laws may apply.
We had one guy in class that lived within a 1000' feet of a school.
This was beat to death in both the Texas class and the Utah class.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:14 pm
by Keith B
The Sarge wrote:MPA?
In class (both Texas and Utah) the question was asked about schools. Also the question was asked about the non licensed (No CHL) carry in Texas (traveling)...and the answer to all was "if you are driving by a school and you have a gun in your car (concealed) then you have no issue....If you park ( say to pick up a child) within a 1000' of a school of course different laws may apply.
We had one guy in class that lived within a 1000' feet of a school.
This was beat to death in both the Texas class and the Utah class.
Driving by a school with a loaded gun in your car is a violation of the Gun Free School Zone Act unless you have a CHL from the state you are in. Your instructor was incorrect, there is no exemption unless you have the CHL.
Now, the guy that lived within 1000 feet of a school IS exempt while on his property.
EDIT TO ADD TEXT OF GFSZA of 1990, part of the Crime Control Act of 1990
Crime Control Act of 1990 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)
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SEC. 1702. GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES ACT OF 1990.
(a) SHORT TITLE- This section may be cited as the `Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990'.
(b) PROHIBITIONS AGAINST POSSESSION OR DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM IN A SCHOOL ZONE-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
`(q)(1)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
`(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to the possession of a firearm--
`(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
`(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtain such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
`(iii) which is--
`(I) not loaded; and
`(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle;
`(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
`(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
`(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
`(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
`(2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm at a place that the person knows is a school zone.
`(B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to the discharge of a firearm--
`(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
`(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
`(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual; or
`(iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity.
`(3) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun-free school zones as provided in this subsection.'.
(2) DEFINITIONS- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new paragraphs:
`(25) The term `school zone' means--
`(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
`(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
`(26) The term `school' means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.
`(27) The term `motor vehicle' has the meaning given such term in section 10102 of title 49, United States Code.'.
(3) PENALTY- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new paragraph:
`(4) Whoever violates section 922(q) shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the term of imprisonment imposed under this paragraph shall not run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed under any other provision of law. Except for the authorization of a term of imprisonment of not more than 5 years made in this paragraph, for the purpose of any other law a violation of section 922(q) shall be deemed to be a misdemeanor.'.
(4) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall apply to conduct engaged in after the end of the 60-day period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act.
(5) GUN-FREE ZONE SIGNS- Federal, State, and local authorities are encouraged to cause signs to be posted around school zones giving warning of prohibition of the possession of firearms in a school zone.
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:57 pm
by The Sarge
Yes this was pulled up in class^^^^^...the issue turned on "school property" and the instructor was very specific (both of them actually) that driving by or through a school zone was legal even for non CHL holders.
The road is not school property....but if your walking down the road, stopped (parked) carrying with a Utah license within a 1000' of a school...that is illegal....but if your on a public road and going through a school zone you do not even need any CHL.....that is what was taught in both the Texas CHL and the Utah CHL by two different instructors....so obviously there is confusion...
I will tell you....the Texas instructor was very well versed in the new Non CHL traveling with a weapon law....and he was adamant about this as many CHL holders there for renewal challenged him on it....
Me I have Texas and Utah both....I also wear suspenders and a belt.....
But if I understand what you are saying...you are saying under the Texas Law...a person who does not have a CHL traveleing say up Highway 281 from San Antonio to Ft. Worth...has to what? Stop and put his/her gun in the trunk before every school zone?
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:09 pm
by The Sarge
There was also discussion about that being a Fed Law and not a State law and blah blah on the 10th amendment and so forth....
Re: Multiple CHL 'types' ?
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:15 pm
by Keith B
The Sarge wrote:Yes this was pulled up in class^^^^^...the issue turned on "school property" and the instructor was very specific (both of them actually) that driving by or through a school zone was legal even for non CHL holders.
The road is not school property....but if your walking down the road, stopped (parked) carrying with a Utah license within a 1000' of a school...that is illegal....but if your on a public road and going through a school zone you do not even need any CHL.....that is what was taught in both the Texas CHL and the Utah CHL by two different instructors....so obviously there is confusion...
I will tell you....the Texas instructor was very well versed in the new Non CHL traveling with a weapon law....and he was adamant about this as many CHL holders there for renewal challenged him on it....
Me I have Texas and Utah both....I also wear suspenders and a belt.....
But if I understand what you are saying...you are saying under the Texas Law...a person who does not have a CHL traveleing say up Highway 281 from San Antonio to Ft. Worth...has to what? Stop and put his/her gun in the trunk before every school zone?
Legally, yes and you must unload it and lock it in a container or locked weapons rack. And it is not Texas law, the GFSZA is Federal law. I am not a lawyer, but I can see nothing in the GFSZA wording that exempts roadways when you are driving on them. And there is also nothing in the Texas MPA that does or even can exempt you from the act. I believe your instructors were stating their opinions that the chances of you getting caught were slim if you just drove through, but as for it being legal, I need them to show me where it says you are legal to drive through with a loaded firearm before I will agree they are correct.