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Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:05 am
by MikeM
I have applied for my CHL and and hope to receive it soon. I am debating between carrying a Glock 36 or a Bersa Thunder 380. Big difference in every respect but would appreciate some seasoned advice. If I should consider something else, please comment as well.
Thanks,

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:12 am
by USA1
Welcome to the forum MikeM :tiphat:

Without a doubt the Glock is far superior to the Bersa in respect to quality and caliber.
I have nothing against Bersa. I own one myself and it's a great gun.

My thought on .380 is if you're going to carry one you should go with the Ruger LCP
due to it's ultra compact design and reliability.

As far as other options, there a whole gambit of good choices out there and I'm sure
others will be along soon to share their opinions.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:57 am
by Excaliber
MikeM wrote:I have applied for my CHL and and hope to receive it soon. I am debating between carrying a Glock 36 or a Bersa Thunder 380. Big difference in every respect but would appreciate some seasoned advice. If I should consider something else, please comment as well.
Thanks,
Welcome to the Forum, Mike.

As I see it, the decision here is much more about personal preferences and commitment than it is about hardware selection. Here's where I suggest you start:

Ask yourself:

1. What do I expect to accomplish by carrying a gun?
2. If I find myself in a deadly force situation, what effect do I expect it to have on my attacker(s)?
3. Is my level of commitment to a lifestyle that involves preparation for defense against deadly threats great enough that I am willing to spend money on quality gear, adapt my clothing to fully conceal a firearm that remains readily accessible, and tote the extra bulk and weight of a gun around all or most of the time?

Be honest with yourself. Giving yourself answers you don't really believe in will lead you into poor choices that will cost you significant amounts of money to buy and sell guns that don't work out for you, or result in expensive hardware that sits untouched in a drawer or safe.

With those answers in mind, here's a quick and dirty comparison of the two options you named:

The Glock 36 is the better way to go if you are committed to protecting yourself and your loved ones with a firearm that is not magic but has a pretty good chance of making an immediate dissuasive impression on an attacker. That being said, going this route will require adjustments to your style of dress, tolerance of a minor degree of discomfort due to the size and weight of the loaded gun, and the commitment to work to achieve solid proficiency with a powerful cartridge in a lightweight firearm.

If you're going to carry a gun just for the sake of carrying, to have a deadly threat intimidation option that you're not planning on firing, or to see for yourself just how little immediate impact .380 rounds have on a determined attacker if you should be unlucky enough to have to use it, the Bersa is the way to go. It's cheaper, lighter, and easier to shoot. It's also a good choice if your goal is to be just marginally better prepared than going with no firearm at all and comfort is much more important to you than utility.

There are many other choices out there as well. Many folks like the .38 revolver because it falls just about smack dab between the two options you mentioned.

If you plan on carrying it only when you think you might need it, it doesn't matter which gun you buy because it's almost certain that trouble will find you when you least expect it and you won't have the gun with you at the time.

Trying guns before you buy them is a great way to see how they match up with your preferences, to discover the little kinks that may or may not make big differences to you, and can save you from buyer's remorse. Friends who own the guns you're considering will usually let you try them out if you bring the ammo, and you can rent almost anything you're considering at some of the larger gun ranges.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:44 pm
by cougartex
USA1 wrote:Without a doubt the Glock is far superior to the Bersa in respect to quality and caliber.
I have nothing against Bersa.

My thought on .380 is if you're going to carry one you should go with the Ruger LCP
due to it's ultra compact design and reliability.
:iagree: Welcome to the forum and the world of CHL. :txflag:

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:02 pm
by The Annoyed Man
  1. 6+1 reliably fed rounds of .45 ACP beats 7+1 finicky fed rounds of .380 ACP
  2. Glock beats Bersa
  3. 26.99 oz. Glock (loaded) beats 20 oz Bersa (UNloaded)
  4. Glock parts availability beats Bersa parts availability
  5. Number of Glock dealers beats number of Bersa dealers
  6. Glock customization aftermarket beats Bersa customization aftermarket
  7. Bersa MSRP $300 beats Glock MSRP $655.00 (but nobody pays retail, and you can buy a Glock 36 at the gun shows for under $500)
Looking at gunbroker.com, I see Bersa Thunder .380s with "buy now" prices of $304.95 - $320.00, while Glock 36 prices are running from $549.99 to $659.00.

The Bersa, and most other .380s will distract an attacker, but unless your first shot is immediately fatal (unlikely), it may not be enough gun. The .45 ACP is not a guarantee of instant incapacitation either, but it is far more likely to have that effect than a .380 will.

I own two .380 pistols myself - a very nice example of the Colt Government, and a Keltec P3AT (both ends of the price spectrum) - and neither is anywhere near as reliable, even feeding FMJ, than any of the pistols in .45, 9mm, .40 that we've owned. In fact, I don't carry either of the .380s anymore. When I need a tiny pistol, I go with a 5 shot 642 in .38 Special. It is a more powerful round in a more reliable package, and it conceals very well.

Like Excaliber said, what is your life worth to you, and why are you carrying a gun? Those are the two main questions you have to answer for yourself - and to each his own, by the way - in order to make your decision as asked in your OP.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:03 am
by RPB
Read The Annoyed Man's first 7 numbered sentences at least 4 times before deciding.
:iagree:

I own some 21-year-old Glock 19s and until last year, owned some 24-year-old Glock 17s that are in great shape, so, in the sentence regarding prices, calculate what $200.00 difference in cost is amortized over the life of the pistol (Over 40 years I'm sure) say even at 5 bucks a year for better security .... pretty darn cheap.

I've owned about 20 to 25 .380s ... I only kept them because I wanted something tiny for the bathroom; or as a second backup gun to my Glock, so I could toss "something" to another CHL who might be unarmed if a Luby's in Killeen situation went down again..... cause my Glock is mine.

I still carry a 20-year-old Glock 19 when I'm not carrying my Glock 26; I have no idea how many rounds have been fired through it ... don't really care; nowhere near being worn out yet; still totally reliable, else I wouldn't carry it.


If you are a Bersa fan; wait for the Bersa BP9CC (or BP40CC later) instead of a .380, wait and see reviews of it, in case it has faults like some PPSs, some PT709s, some PF9s etc etc etc ... Glock is Tested and Tried already though.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:19 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
MikeM:
Welcome to the forum sir.

Between the 2 guns you have in mind, go with the Glock.

.380's have an attractive quality of a handgun in a small package,
but if your aim with a firearm is to stop a threat, it's better to go
with a bigger caliber.

I currently have a 9MM, which no rational person would stand in
front of, but my next gun is likely to be a .45.

When you consider that you may have to shoot a 6'4", 280 pound
BG, a .380 is weak tea compared to a .45, in terms of penetrating
that big boy.

.380's, IIRC have 95 grains of powder and are cute bullets.
.45's have 230 grains of powder and a greater ability to create a
significant wound channel due to the fat bullet.
These stats point to a greater chance of the BG's threat being stopped
with a .45.

SIA

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:26 am
by LarryH
surprise_i'm_armed wrote: .380's, IIRC have 95 grains of powder and are cute bullets.
.45's have 230 grains of powder and a greater ability to create a
significant wound channel due to the fat bullet.
These stats point to a greater chance of the BG's threat being stopped
with a .45.

SIA
The "grains" numbers are the weight of the bullet, not of the powder.

SIA's conclusion is correct, but his statement of the reason is faulty.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:09 am
by The Annoyed Man
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:.380's, IIRC have 95 grains of powder and are cute bullets.
.45's have 230 grains of powder and a greater ability to create a
significant wound channel due to the fat bullet.
These stats point to a greater chance of the BG's threat being stopped
with a .45.

SIA
Correction, the .380 is a 95 grain bullet versus the .45's 230 grain bullet. The powder weights are considerably smaller than that.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:22 pm
by MojoTexas
Heh, carry both...the Glock as a primary and the Bersa as a backup.

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:24 pm
by MikeM
Thanks to all on your advice! The Glock seems to be the better choice for what I hope will never come to pass. :txflag:

Re: Advice on what to carry for new to CHL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:34 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
LarryH and TAM:

Thank you for the correction to the "grains" misstatement
on my part above.

SIA