Impact of 30.06 to businesses

[Soccerdad1995]

We're trying to see what percentage of the poplulation is licensed. With military exceptions which are few, you can eliminate those under 21 from being candidates for licensure. Maybe I'm not making myself clear. The question was two-fold---what percentage of the popluation is licensed, and secondly, what percentage of the eligible population is licensed? Some folks just aren't eligible. You can also eliminate a percentage of the senior population (pick a number, say over 75 yo) , but I doubt that would affect the final numbers very much..

I think the question morphed a bit. The original topic was about the impact of posting 30.06 signs on a business. For that purpose, you would want the percentage of LLTC holders in the typical customer population for an average business. I think you are answering a different question.

[FCH]

I don't think any set of numbers or statistics can be used to foretell the impact. On some businesses the loss of customers could be serious. Others wouldn't notice or care.

My father ran a business for years. His unscientific approach was - if you lose one unhappy customer and you know why, you will lose 5 more an never have a clue why they left.

I am the LTC in my family, but if we stopped going to a favorite restaurant because of a 30.06 sign, the restaurant's loss would include my wife and children because we often eat out as a family. The number at a meal is usually at least 4 and often as high as 7 and even more. Plus, my wife and I also go out with a group of friends at least once a month and count for as many as 10. We would move the meeting place if a 30.06 sign appeared.

On the other hand, a friend and I were talking today about a major appliance store that has absolutely horrible customer service and they don't care. They operate on the principle that there will always be new customer. They are still in business after many years of complaints.

[bbhack]

I let a certain TexMex place on I10 know that they lost >>3<< customers, only >>1<< being a CHL (or LTC, ,gotta get used to that).

The problem was posting a 30.06 with their shiny new 30.07. In a dozen years they had not thought of that. Hmmm.

The auto-response said they try to respond in 24 hrs. That was 6 days ago. They must be thinking >>real hard<<.

[Liberty]

I wouldn't want to subscribe to any business that doesn't want me. This being said almost every business out their will at attempt to convince that my bussiness is important to them. A successful business is built one customer at a time. If businesses understand how truly offensive to their customers that a 30.06 sign is most will get rid of the sign. If they understand how much it cost to get a new customer (advertising/marketing) they will dread losing customers that almost no one else will care about.

There is a another business rule of thumb. For every custome that complains, there are 10 more equally irritated that don't complain.

[Soccerdad1995]

I wouldn't want to subscribe to any business that doesn't want me. This being said almost every business out their will at attempt to convince that my bussiness is important to them. A successful business is built one customer at a time. If businesses understand how truly offensive to their customers that a 30.06 sign is most will get rid of the sign. If they understand how much it cost to get a new customer (advertising/marketing) they will dread losing customers that almost no one else will care about.

There is a another business rule of thumb. For every custome that complains, there are 10 more equally irritated that don't complain.

Those 10 complain to their friends, or through social media. That is much worse than someone who does not complain at all.

[Tracker]

Just went to a local Applebee's today....there were no signs.

[TresHuevos]

I went to the Sprouts on the west side of El Paso yesterday. First time there because I had avoided it with the knowledge that it was their company policy to post 30.06. We pulled up and I left my gun in the truck... imagine my surprise when there weren't any signs at all except for the TABC blue sign at the door. Don't know if there was one at any time (no record found on Texas3006.com) but I'm looking forward to going back now.

[Jusme]

I agree with TAM, regarding the overall impact to a business. I have sent letters and e-mails to businesses that posted 30.06 since Jan 1 and have not received a response. I think sometimes we get caught up in the fact that there are almost 1 million LTC holders, but as TAM pointed out a large portion do not carry 24/7, an even larger number are probably not going to frequent businesses that cater to women, since most LTC holders are men, and some will simply disarm and go in anyway.

The chance of getting large numbers of LTC holders together in one area, to boycott one business is very unlikely. I guess I am fortunate, the majority of places I frequent have not posted either 30.06 or 30.07. I also live in a more rural part of the state, and even the national chains that I have heard posting in other places have not done so at the ones I do business with. One of the reasons MDA and other groups have been so successful is the fact, that they can say the y represent a larger majority, whether it's true or not, they got out in front of the new laws and put boots on the ground to spread their message, mostly in larger cities like Houston, Dallas, and Austin.

I too refuse to do business with anyone who has posted 30.06 and when I locate one, I make it a point to let them know that they have lost my business and then I do what I can to notify everyone I can about the business. But, it is still an individual choice, and while I may be able to take my business elsewhere, others may not have that option.

I do believe that the message needs to be reiterated at every opportunity, but I think it will be more a matter of time and patience, to get everyone on board, and we may never get everyone to see things our way.

[Breny414]

I walked away from my first business Saturday. A C-Mart (Shell Gas) convenient store in Austin. I was cc'ing, walked up to the door, and, BAM, there it was... 30.06 and 30.07. I turned right around ant went to the store across the street - which had no signs.

I've received a lot of email from texas3006.com for Shell stations in Austin. Not sure if the C-mart is affiliated with Shell, but who knows. I won't be going to any Shell stations in Austin.

[G26ster]

If businesses understand how truly offensive to their customers that a 30.06 sign is most will get rid of the sign. If they understand how much it cost to get a new customer (advertising/marketing) they will dread losing customers that almost no one else will care about.

Restaurants, bars, hotels, and many other businesses put up "No Smoking" signs long before many municipalities required it. At that time, about 40% of the population were smokers. The signs have never come down, nor will they. Didn't/doesn't seem to bother them one iota, and they are acutely aware of their customer base. I don't see 30.06/07 signage as any different, especially as we are not even in the ballpark percentage wise. Doesn't hurt to try, and some will be successful (especially if the sign was put up in error by management due to erroneous information they had), but in the long run, we lose. MHO.

[Lucent]

Ask the LGBT lobby if 3-4% of the population can make a difference. They key is pulling together and actually doing something as a group, e.g. actually speaking out and making business owners feel the pressure.

If you see a 30.07 or a 30.06 go in and talk to the owner and make them aware that gun owners are paying attention. When multiple people do the same at a business the owners will start to take notice.

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[parabelum]

Hard to tell definitively whether businesses with '06 signs will feel a significant P&L impact, and even if they do, some folks are so stuck in their doxa that nothing will change their minds/sway their opinion. They are frozen in the stupor of their own misguided ideology.

My conjecture is that some, in particular smaller shops, will begin to see evaporating margins within the next year. Issue is, with so many variables driving the national and local economical microcosm, many of the anti 2A potatoes will scratch their heads for awhile before and if they ever come to realization as to what's driving the business across the street.

Now, as far as LGBT and their ilk, it may take us more time and patience to attain what we are looking to achieve, but I'd definitely steer away from their tactics. Those are quick jolts of "success" promoted by a temporary Idiocracy/tolerance of the masses.
Keyword is temporary. Those tactics will not last, and in the long run are unsustainable.

Slow and steady wins the race. Time is coming when the rest of our fellow sleepy neighbors will awaken.

[chamberc]

The difference in underwriting thousands of stores easily outweighs the profit on revenue for large companies with LTC's occasional business.

[gljjt]

At 3% of the population, LTC holders boycotting a business has absolutely no effect on their revenue or profit.

Disagree 100 %.


Even a 0.2% impact on ROMA is indeed, nothing to sneeze at.

Except it is a two way street. The other side. The much larger group can boycott as well. Oversimplified, but 97% > 3%. Just saying.

[K5GU]

Another impact to a business posting is some folks, including me, avoid gun-free areas such as a business posting the 30.06/07 signs. Gun-free (posted) areas are magnets for crazy bad guys. Therefore the impact stats would need to include even those without a LTC who prefer to avoid GF areas.