147th Annual NRA Meeting in Dallas

[Beiruty]

Quick question about credentials:
I got mine, but it is just a badge holder from Midway and a coupon for 10% off from Midway.
I did not get any insert with my name, member number or anything like that.
Has anyone else seen anything different?

I got the same. Was expecting something with my name.

Insert your NRA ID card there

[Grundy1133]

This will be my first year going, so I've been watching the news about this.

Vice President will be speaking, so no guns allowed in the Arena. I'm assuming that's what they mean. I hope this doesn't mean no carry ANYWHERE. Was going to purchase a ticket, but since carry will be prohibited, guess I'll skip.

Due to the attendance of the Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance. We will be posting a longer list of prohibited items in the near future.

https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/8137229/n ... anguage=en

If this is true and applies to LTC folks.... if I was a dem, I'd have a field day with this. Obviously even republicans and so called leaders don't trust the "good guys". I realize it's the VP, but still makes our whole argument look foolish. You may disagree...but in my opinion the very people that claim to protect the 2A should never host an event that requires disarming the good guys. Sad. No excuses for this...it makes us look stupid.

agree 100% I hope he speaks to an empty room...

[Liberty]

This will be my first year going, so I've been watching the news about this.

Vice President will be speaking, so no guns allowed in the Arena. I'm assuming that's what they mean. I hope this doesn't mean no carry ANYWHERE. Was going to purchase a ticket, but since carry will be prohibited, guess I'll skip.

Due to the attendance of the Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance. We will be posting a longer list of prohibited items in the near future.

https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/8137229/n ... anguage=en

If this is true and applies to LTC folks.... if I was a dem, I'd have a field day with this. Obviously even republicans and so called leaders don't trust the "good guys". I realize it's the VP, but still makes our whole argument look foolish. You may disagree...but in my opinion the very people that claim to protect the 2A should never host an event that requires disarming the good guys. Sad. No excuses for this...it makes us look stupid.

agree 100% I hope he speaks to an empty room...

Sheesh we get some support from the White House we get honored b having the Vice president speak directly to us and we get complaints about not being able to carry one afternoon into one specific room. The VP and Secret Service will not allow the Vice president to speak directly to the people without controlling the situation. Things are tough on our leaders. Can we really doubt without this kind of security that our leaders would be killed off? Whether we like it or not, there are people who are willing to kill our president and vice president and they deserve the best security that we can give them. Right now we can use a show of support from our government and leaders.

The right to arm ourselves is about having a choice. We have a choice, We can carry into the convention and not see and hear Mike Pence, or we can disarm ourselves and have the privilege of our Vice President ask for our support while he commits to supporting us. Any convention such as this, whether its a trade convention or political gathering is a show of force. It's about showing the rest of the people who we are. Its also about sharing and being with like-minded people.

It would be nice if just for the convention we appeared as one. Supported our those who supported us. Attending the convention (whether we see the VP or Not) is a great honor and possibly a once in a lifetime opportunity. Let's not screw it up.

[flechero]

Come on guys- the President and Vice President aren't "regular guys"... and should not be expected to do what we do. The represent our Nation, and as such are in need of more protection than most individuals. I bet none of you has issue with them flying in protected airspace, or having armored transport or weapons on planes, etc. So expecting them to speak at a large gathering of armed, UNVETTED people with no checks on their background or mental state is literally the dumbest thing I have read on this forum in a while.

I just wish there were a "gun check" room so I could go to his speech. I'm catching a ride to Dallas with a friend and taking the rail from there to meet family so I will be armed, with no way to store the gun to watch the speech.

[jason812]

Come on guys- the President and Vice President aren't "regular guys"... and should not be expected to do what we do. The represent our Nation, and as such are in need of more protection than most individuals. I bet none of you has issue with them flying in protected airspace, or having armored transport or weapons on planes, etc. So expecting them to speak at a large gathering of armed, UNVETTED people with no checks on their background or mental state is literally the dumbest thing I have read on this forum in a while.

I just wish there were a "gun check" room so I could go to his speech. I'm catching a ride to Dallas with a friend and taking the rail from there to meet family so I will be armed, with no way to store the gun to watch the speech.

Please don't take what I've said as thinking we should be allowed in to see Pence armed. I just want to know what is going to be off limits while he is there. If they just let anybody in to his speech with our door passes, all it would take was a $30 membership to get an opportunity to do something bad. A gun valet before you went in to see him speech shouldn't be that hard of a concept to pull off.

We need to quit fighting ourselves.

[flechero]

Please don't take what I've said as thinking we should be allowed in to see Pence armed. I just want to know what is going to be off limits while he is there.

no Jason812, not directed towards you at all and I share your question of what will be off limits. I also want to see him but I'm not driving myself so have no outside storage option.

The comments that prompted my post were:

You may disagree...but in my opinion the very people that claim to protect the 2A should never host an event that requires disarming the good guys. Sad. No excuses for this...it makes us look stupid.

agree 100% I hope he speaks to an empty room...

[Grundy1133]

"regular guys"or not, I don't care how popular you are or how big your salary is, I think it's unnecessary to disarm the good guys. If a bad guy decides to show up in a room full of armed citizens PLUS secret service, the VP should feel safe knowing that the bad guy will have about 200 holes in him before anything bad happens. Me personally, I won't be listening to him speak. I won't be going anywhere that I cant carry my firearm. It's essentially the nations largest get together for gun owners and they won't let law abiding legal gun owners carry guns because someone who's supposedly pro 2A thinks its too "dangerous"? thats liberal logic right there... one of the safest places I could think to be is in a room full of law abiding armed citizens... just my 2 cents

[cyphertext]

"regular guys"or not, I don't care how popular you are or how big your salary is, I think it's unnecessary to disarm the good guys. If a bad guy decides to show up in a room full of armed citizens PLUS secret service, the VP should feel safe knowing that the bad guy will have about 200 holes in him before anything bad happens. Me personally, I won't be listening to him speak. I won't be going anywhere that I cant carry my firearm. It's essentially the nations largest get together for gun owners and they won't let law abiding legal gun owners carry guns because someone who's supposedly pro 2A thinks its too "dangerous"? thats liberal logic right there... one of the safest places I could think to be is in a room full of law abiding armed citizens... just my 2 cents

The VP has no say in this... Secret Service security detail comes with the job. In your scenario with bad guy and 200 holes, how would SS know who the bad guy was and who the good guys are with all those guns drawn? High probability of collateral damage too...

[Grundy1133]

"regular guys"or not, I don't care how popular you are or how big your salary is, I think it's unnecessary to disarm the good guys. If a bad guy decides to show up in a room full of armed citizens PLUS secret service, the VP should feel safe knowing that the bad guy will have about 200 holes in him before anything bad happens. Me personally, I won't be listening to him speak. I won't be going anywhere that I cant carry my firearm. It's essentially the nations largest get together for gun owners and they won't let law abiding legal gun owners carry guns because someone who's supposedly pro 2A thinks its too "dangerous"? thats liberal logic right there... one of the safest places I could think to be is in a room full of law abiding armed citizens... just my 2 cents

The VP has no say in this... Secret Service security detail comes with the job. In your scenario with bad guy and 200 holes, how would SS know who the bad guy was and who the good guys are with all those guns drawn? High probability of collateral damage too...

it was to prove my point... by the time a bad guy has time to do anything he'd be dead regardless of how many holes... and if the secret service is a bit trigger happy, then I'd say they need better training. and if someone does get in with a gun and decides to act like an idiot lets hope the secret service has darn good shot placement or else there will be "collateral damage" either way

[flechero]

"regular guys"or not, I don't care how popular you are or how big your salary is, I think it's unnecessary to disarm the good guys. If a bad guy decides to show up in a room full of armed citizens PLUS secret service, the VP should feel safe knowing that the bad guy will have about 200 holes in him before anything bad happens. Me personally, I won't be listening to him speak. I won't be going anywhere that I cant carry my firearm. It's essentially the nations largest get together for gun owners and they won't let law abiding legal gun owners carry guns because someone who's supposedly pro 2A thinks its too "dangerous"? thats liberal logic right there... one of the safest places I could think to be is in a room full of law abiding armed citizens... just my 2 cents

Seriously- what about the guy across the room with the rifle? The VP could be dead (with just one hole to use your analogy) before anyone else has a gun drawn.

This is not about being popular or $$$, the leaders of the free world are NOT like you and I. This is about the office, not the men. Which is why they have hundreds of people that would take a bullet for them!

It's not a CC scenario you and I will ever face. There aren't millions of people world wide that want you and I dead. I'm certain you can see the difference, even if you don't want to admit it.

[RicoTX]

no Jason812, not directed towards you at all and I share your question of what will be off limits. I also want to see him but I'm not driving myself so have no outside storage option.

My comment was the one he was referring too...I respect your opinion, but we differ.

I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security. I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak. We should not put ourselves in this situation. He could have done this remotely without saying why and accomplished the same thing. Now the left will be saying that even the republicans don't trust good guys with a gun. And they will be correct. They could have simply allowed only LTC members and recip states... would u still have a problem with that? Do they not trust LTC members either? It doesn't matter that the SS would say no...it just makes us look like hypocrites...in this instance we are. It doesn't matter if it's the person or the office... the message is the VP is more important than the 2A. Is he? Is the office?

The optics of this are simply terrible... and could have been avoided.

However, while I won't be going...I hope it is a large crowd and that his speech has some kind of impact...even if he is preaching to the choir....well the disarmed choir anyway

[cyphertext]

no Jason812, not directed towards you at all and I share your question of what will be off limits. I also want to see him but I'm not driving myself so have no outside storage option.

My comment was the one he was referring too...I respect your opinion, but we differ.

I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security. I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak. We should not put ourselves in this situation. He could have done this remotely without saying why and accomplished the same thing. Now the left will be saying that even the republicans don't trust good guys with a gun. And they will be correct. They could have simply allowed only LTC members and recip states... would u still have a problem with that? Do they not trust LTC members either? It doesn't matter that the SS would say no...it just makes us look like hypocrites...in this instance we are. It doesn't matter if it's the person or the office... the message is the VP is more important than the 2A. Is he? Is the office?

The optics of this are simply terrible... and could have been avoided.

However, while I won't be going...I hope it is a large crowd and that his speech has some kind of impact...even if he is preaching to the choir....well the disarmed choir anyway

In a room full of people, how do you know who is a "good guy"? Does it come stamped on their forehead or something? Just because someone has a carry permit does not necessarily make them a good guy. Look at the recent shootings... many of those folks passed a background check and purchased their guns legally... but were they "good guys"?

What if the convention was being held in a state like Arizona that has constitutional carry? How would you vet the "good guys"? Do you believe that every single person in attendance at the NRA convention is a "good guy"? That whole argument is weak to begin with. Many of the recent shooters were folks who passed background checks and had their firearms legally... in other words, vetted as "good guys"...

[Pawpaw]

Quick question about credentials:
I got mine, but it is just a badge holder from Midway and a coupon for 10% off from Midway.
I did not get any insert with my name, member number or anything like that.
Has anyone else seen anything different?

This is it. Nothing else: https://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1198217

[JustSomeOldGuy]

given the juxtapostion of Secret Service requirements and who the audience is composed of, why weren't there two galleries set up in different locations, the second linked up as an industrial strength videoconference. Wall size screen(s) showing main room, cams with sound for participation from second room. People who don't want to disarm attend in the second room. 'Naked' people can attend in primary room after being electronically/manually groped by the feds.....

[RicoTX]

In a room full of people, how do you know who is a "good guy"? Does it come stamped on their forehead or something? Just because someone has a carry permit does not necessarily make them a good guy. Look at the recent shootings... many of those folks passed a background check and purchased their guns legally... but were they "good guys"?

What if the convention was being held in a state like Arizona that has constitutional carry? How would you vet the "good guys"? Do you believe that every single person in attendance at the NRA convention is a "good guy"? That whole argument is weak to begin with. Many of the recent shooters were folks who passed background checks and had their firearms legally... in other words, vetted as "good guys"...

If we can't trust an LTC holder or an NRA member, then what the heck are we supporting anymore? Sorry, if I felt that way, I would not be an NRA member or on an LTC forum. I'm sorry, do we support the 2nd or don't we? Sounds like only when it's convenient.... that's like saying well I support the 2nd amendment but I won't allow you to have guns around me. This is crazy! I'm just amazed I have to admit.

Anybody , including the President who says they support 2A, but would not allow an upstanding citizen to have a gun around them, does not really support the 2nd amendment. The idea is worse than the Hollywood elite with security....at least they are honest about not wanting you and I to have a gun.

Maybe I'm the only one feels that way... that's fine...just really sad because it means the battle and the war is already lost.