TABC Signs posted in a "dry" town

[Commander]

Today I stopped in a Valero convience store/gas station in Greenville (Tx). Posted in the front windows were the TABC "Unlicensed possession of a firearm...." signs. Greenville is "dry" - no package stores. The Valero store had no alcoholic beverages at all.

I left wondering why they would post those signs.

[txinvestigator]

Today I stopped in a Valero convience store/gas station in Greenville (Tx). Posted in the front windows were the TABC "Unlicensed possession of a firearm...." signs. Greenville is "dry" - no package stores. The Valero store had no alcoholic beverages at all.

I left wondering why they would post those signs.

Valero has stores in wet areas. Corporate orders a sign package that is sent to all stores. Some managers in dry areas probably have no idea of the laws, so they just put ALL of the signs up in the corporate package.

[KBCraig]

Same with Total stores in Texarkana. Bowie County is dry (although Texarkana, TX is up for a "wet" vote in May). But, the Total stores have the usual "Unlicensed possession..." and "Consumption of alcoholic beverages on these premises..." signs. No beer, just signs.

Kevin

[Kalrog]

You could call / email TABC and mention it. I bet they would come down.

[txinvestigator]

You could call / email TABC and mention it. I bet they would come down.

Good idea. Although since they don't sell or serve alcohol, TABC might not have jurisdiction

[UNBLVR]

Today I stopped in a Valero convience store/gas station in Greenville (Tx). Posted in the front windows were the TABC "Unlicensed possession of a firearm...." signs. Greenville is "dry" - no package stores. The Valero store had no alcoholic beverages at all.

I left wondering why they would post those signs.

The "unlicensed possession" have nothing to do with TABC. Are you thinking about the 51% sign?






Joe

[KBCraig]

Today I stopped in a Valero convience store/gas station in Greenville (Tx). Posted in the front windows were the TABC "Unlicensed possession of a firearm...." signs. Greenville is "dry" - no package stores. The Valero store had no alcoholic beverages at all.

I left wondering why they would post those signs.

The "unlicensed possession" have nothing to do with TABC. Are you thinking about the 51% sign?

Every seller licensed for on-premises consumption has a TABC notice that the unlicensed possession of a firearm on the premises is a felony. These are restaurants, not 51% licensees.

Such as sign is ridiculous and incorrect on a convenience store, but remember: I'm talking about a place that's posting TABC signs in a dry county!

The two signs, "unlicensed possession" and "no on-premises consumption" clearly conflict. If they're not licensed for on-premises consumption, then the "unlicensed possession" sign doesn't apply. If they are licensed for on-premises consumption, then the "no on-premises consumption" sign is obviously silly.

Kevin

[ElGato]

I think the unlicensed possession sign is required where alcohol is sold and not just where there is on premises consumption.

[Commander]

I believe that ElGato is correct. I have seen these signs in beer stores in other cities. There is no beer or other alcohol sold in Greenville.

The signs I saw at Valero had the TABC name and Logo on them at the bottom of the sign so they were definitely TABC signs.

[ElGato]

As TX mentioned in a previous post, The signs may be in the package for all store set-ups because the Company has a license to sell.

[txinvestigator]

Any place that sell alcohol for off-premise consumption, such as a Valero store, is required to post a couple of TABC signs.

1. The unlicensed possession of a firearm............is a felony.

2. It is a crime (misdemeanor) to consume alcohol or beer on these premises.

[KBCraig]

Any place that sell alcohol for off-premise consumption, such as a Valero store, is required to post a couple of TABC signs.

1. The unlicensed possession of a firearm............is a felony.

2. It is a crime (misdemeanor) to consume alcohol or beer on these premises.

Thanks, TX.

The TABC site is anything but helpful. I googled "TABC signage" hoping for a commercial package, but learned waaaay too much about "certified sellers". Couldn't find a thing about required signs.

Kevin

[nemesis]

Does this cover it?

GC §411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES.
(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter
25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51
percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage
Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business
premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give
notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person
licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises.
The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed
in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in
a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) A business that has a permit or license issued under the Alcoholic
Beverage Code and that is not required to display a sign under
this section may be required to display a sign under Section 11.041 or
61.11, Alcoholic Beverage Code.

(e) This section does not apply to a business that has a food and
beverage certificate issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code.

[txinvestigator]

Does this cover it?

GC §411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES.
(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter
25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51
percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage
Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business
premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give
notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person
licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises.
The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed
in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in
a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) A business that has a permit or license issued under the Alcoholic
Beverage Code and that is not required to display a sign under
this section may be required to display a sign under Section 11.041 or
61.11, Alcoholic Beverage Code.

(e) This section does not apply to a business that has a food and
beverage certificate issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code.

That is for places that offer ON-premise consumption, and Valero is not that. ;)

[nemesis]

That is for places that offer ON-premise consumption, and Valero is not that. ;)

I know you're not going to believe this but I figured that out for myself. I did, however, respond to this.

The TABC site is anything but helpful. I googled "TABC signage" hoping for a commercial package, but learned waaaay too much about "certified sellers". Couldn't find a thing about required signs.

I thought my response may be pertinent and, in some small way, helpful in regards to that question.