New Ayoob on "Concealed Carry"

[Greybeard]

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The Gun Digest Book Of Concealed Carry (Paperback)

I ordered Monday. With "standard shipping" It arrived in mailbox today (Wednesday).

Thus far, a real good read. I PMed Mas about a little Texas related boo-boo noted on page 31. (Ain't quite got alcohol part of 46.035 right).

In a chapter on "the immediate aftermath", like someone else we know , he suggests being the first to call 911.

Gonna get back to it!

[Crossfire]

Thanks for the heads up! Gotta get one now.

[SD4]

he suggests being the first to call 911.

From what I've read in these forums, that is what I have understood to be best, also. What would you suggest is the best way to handle that aspect?

[Greybeard]

SD4 -

The "lawyer answer" - from a non-lawyer: "It depends."

Maybe one of these days we can convince Chas to come up and do his Deadly Force seminar in DFW area again - and you can maybe run down from OKC and hear it all. It' be worth the trip just to see him demonstrate what he suggest be practiced in front of the mirror: reholster with one hand and flip out the cell phone with the other (consistent with Ayoob's "win the race to the telphone".) In any event, be very cautious with (brief) verbiage for dispatcher as it's all being recorded.

Then, on the other end of the spectrum, there are lawyers out there who may tell you to zip the lips completely and let them do all the talking. I'm only on page 88 (of 254) of the book now, but doubt there will be anything in there - from him anyway - of that persuasion.

[jimlongley]

SD4 -

It' be worth the trip just to see him demonstrate what he suggest be practiced in front of the mirror: reholster with one hand and flip out the cell phone with the other (consistent with Ayoob's "win the race to the telphone".) In any event, be very cautious with (brief) verbiage for dispatcher as it's all being recorded.

Hmmm, that would require me to wear my cell phone on the opposite side from my holster. The last time I did that, actually it was a pager, I tried to load my 1911 with my pager doing a reload during an IDPA match.

I now wear my cell phone just in front of my multitool and holster, in my usual carry mode, and I just practice reholstering followed by sweeping the gun hand forward to grab the phone.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Hmmm, that would require me to wear my cell phone on the opposite side from my holster. The last time I did that, actually it was a pager, I tried to load my 1911 with my pager doing a reload during an IDPA match.

You and I could start a club.

Chas.

[txflyer]

I would have loved to have seen that. Just the mental picture is enough to make me . Where's YouTube when you need it.

[SD4]

In any event, be very cautious with (brief) verbiage for dispatcher as it's all being recorded.

I certainly agree with that. There was a video linked on this forum a while back that I thought was excellent. It dealt with why you should never talk to the cops. It made you raise an eyebrow to how you would handle one of these situations if you ever found yourself in one. I do, however, think it would work out far better for you to be the person reporting the action.

[Captain]

I remember that video and it made a lot of sense to me... basically cops will take ANYTHING you say - no matter how innocent - and use it in a case against you. On the other side of things, you have an inalienable right, guaranteed by our constitution to not say anything that might incriminate you... best excercise all the rights you can when you have to exercise the second in a defensive shooting...

I'll have to pick the book up... If he's writing about concealed carry, it'll be worth reading.

[Venus Pax]

Hmmm, that would require me to wear my cell phone on the opposite side from my holster. The last time I did that, actually it was a pager, I tried to load my 1911 with my pager doing a reload during an IDPA match.

You and I could start a club.

Chas.

Someone here has an armour-piercing cell signal.

[bryang]

Maybe one of these days we can convince Chas to come up and do his Deadly Force seminar in DFW area again - and you can maybe run down from OKC and hear it all. It' be worth the trip just to see him demonstrate what he suggest be practiced in front of the mirror: reholster with one hand and flip out the cell phone with the other (consistent with Ayoob's "win the race to the telphone".) In any event, be very cautious with (brief) verbiage for dispatcher as it's all being recorded.

That would be great if he could find the time.
I have wanted to go to one of Charles' seminar ever since I joined this forum.

As for the new Ayoob on "Concealed Carry"...just ordered it. Thanks for letting us know about it. I have read most of his books already.

-geo

[Excaliber]

Hmmm, that would require me to wear my cell phone on the opposite side from my holster. The last time I did that, actually it was a pager, I tried to load my 1911 with my pager doing a reload during an IDPA match.

You and I could start a club.

Chas.

This sounds funny (and is in retrospect when it happens in a match and nobody gets hurt because of it) but there's a serious lesson to be learned here.

The folks who had these experiences aren't mentally challenged - they simply experienced what a little bit of stress can do when using an equipment configuration that either has an opportunity for mistakes (items of different purposes kept very close together on the belt) or one that hasn't been practiced with extensively. Under stress, people focus on the threat and execute previously practiced actions on "automatic pilot." If you always wear your magazine pouch just in front of your left hip for a couple of IDPA matches each month and then walk around with a cell phone in that position the rest of the time, you're very likely to try to jam the cellphone into the magazine well during a real life shooting situation. It will then take you much longer than usual to figure out what the problem is (because reasoning ability is sharply reduce under life threatening stress because of a bunch of biological changes that happen under life threatening circumstances), and even longer to execute the action you attempted in the first place.

When you experience or witness something like this, it should be recognized as an excellent reminder of how important it is to position equipment thoughtfully and consistently, and to practice with it religiously until the actions that come automatically are always the right ones.