Concealed is concealed

[mr.72]

I think these gentlemen are debating the merits of being able to surprise an attacker by drawing your gun, which was concealed, vs. the merits of deterring the attack in the first place in the event you were openly carrying. This is a common OC vs. CC argument. FWIW, it is an argument that I do not happen to agree with, but it has been discussed thoroughly on this forum already.

[Shorts]

I think these gentlemen are debating the merits of being able to surprise an attacker by drawing your gun, which was concealed, vs. the merits of deterring the attack in the first place in the event you were openly carrying. This is a common OC vs. CC argument. FWIW, it is an argument that I do not happen to agree with, but it has been discussed thoroughly on this forum already.

Which is?

I know what you mean about CC v OC being debated thoroughly...on every gun forum

[mr.72]

Which is?

I know what you mean about CC v OC being debated thoroughly...on every gun forum

I don't think that the proposed tactical advantage of having your weapon concealed outweighs the passive deterrent effect of having a weapon openly displayed. But this is impossible to prove, only possible to speculate and argue. It's a moot point anyway since you don't have the choice in TX.

One fact is for sure: in Texas, the BG doesn't know if you are carrying or not. You have a distinct tactical advantage if you are

[Shorts]

I don't think that the proposed tactical advantage of having your weapon concealed outweighs the passive deterrent effect of having a weapon openly displayed. But this is impossible to prove, only possible to speculate and argue. It's a moot point anyway since you don't have the choice in TX.

One fact is for sure: in Texas, the BG doesn't know if you are carrying or not. You have a distinct tactical advantage if you are

Ah ok. Yeah, moot point here in TX for sure, unless its a long gun and you don't mind the "brandishing" charge you'll likely get

[boomerang]

It would be nice to have a choice but some people just aren't comfortable with freedom.

[iratollah]

iratollah, I really think you need to sue for their violation of your civil rights.

Someone appears to have filed a false police report and possibly violated the law using and abusing the police to harass me. I received no warning to leave the property before the police showed up which I believe is a prerequisite for the trespass complaint. Restaurant owner denies that he or any of his staff made the call, which would mean that it was someone with no authority to request my removal by the police. I'm going to try to meet with the area captain next week.

Still, it's a badge of honor that McKinney's fans were so afraid of me asking questions of the speaker that they called the police to remove me. That's almost worth paying them to achieve that type of notoriety.

Concealed beat open carry in this situation, can you imagine the cowards' reaction had they know I had a P239 and an LCP BUG?

[dicion]

, unless its a long gun and you don't mind the "brandishing" charge you'll likely get

There are no brandishing laws in Texas AFAIK. Just general breach of peace ones they will try to get you on.

[frreed]

On the original topic. I am an Anglican priest and have had my chl for nearly 2 years. I carry daily with a tuckable holster. Most of the time it is a Bersa .380 CC. Other times it is a Sig Pro 2340. When I'm feeling the need for speed, it is a HK USP 9mm full size.

I seldom wear a jacket around the church and the only person who has ever caught on is a retire LEO. A very few members know that I carry and most of them have CHLs. The black shirt, slacks, jacket and white collar serve as the perfect "urban camouflage".

The funny thing is, if you knew how many "people of collar" carry daily, they would be amazed.

[USA1]

The funny thing is, if you knew how many "people of collar" carry daily, they would be amazed.

that's what i'm finding out .
and yes it did amaze me at first .

[dsim]

etc. Unfortunately it turns out that his CHL instructor told them in no uncertain terms that carrying at church was illegal. Great!

It would be interesting to know where he took his class. This is clearly not correct.

How is it not correct? PC 46.035 (b) says "A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Sub-chapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of weather the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holders possession: (6)on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship"

[joe817]

etc. Unfortunately it turns out that his CHL instructor told them in no uncertain terms that carrying at church was illegal. Great!

It would be interesting to know where he took his class. This is clearly not correct.

How is it not correct? PC 46.035 (b) says "A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Sub-chapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of weather the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holders possession: (6)on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship"

You didn't read through it all dsim. On p.41 :
"(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06."

[dsim]

I just finished reading it about 2 minutes after I posted that.

I just got my CHL and I was reading thru the laws (just happened to be at PC 46.035) refreshing my memory when I happened on this post. Damn me for not reading the entire section.




I hate lawyer-speak.

[joe817]

I just finished reading it about 2 minutes after I posted that.

I just got my CHL and I was reading thru the laws (just happened to be at PC 46.035) refreshing my memory when I happened on this post. darn me for not reading the entire section. I hate lawyer-speak.

Sok. I made exactly the same misteak in July.

[PappaGun]

Sok. I made exactly the same misteak in July.

MMMMMM.....
I love misteaks

[USA1]

Sok. I made exactly the same misteak in July.

MMMMMM.....
I love misteaks