A disappointing State Fair episode 10-1-09

[suthdj]

Just wondering, If they are denying us access to state property and we have legal access to it, is that in its self not a crime. Why then can't we have the individual preventing us from entering arrested? Just a thought. Also here is a link from a couple years ago as well as a etter I got back from DPS chl people.

http://www.prattontexas.com/_disc1/0000016c.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I ahve njot heard of this. You may wish to speak with the company and is contracted to provide the security guards at The State Fair.

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From: D.S [mailto:removed]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:25 PM
To: CHLS
Subject: Collecting information
Importance: High
I am not sure if this is the correct place to write, but it is a start. There have been reports of the Security Guards at the Dallas State Fair ground collecting Names, addresses, DL#,CHL# of CHL holders as you enter the fair and refusing you access if you do not comply. I thought our information was protected and are we obligated to comply with the request.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

gemini:
You rock on armed brother, with this crusade to preserve our CHL rights at the State Fair.
We are all very appreciative of your principled stand at the State Fair gate, and your determined
followthrough after the fact. Without you opening this thread, the rest of us would be in the dark.

All on the forum:
Gemini has truly done the rest of us a service by fighting for what is right.

WBAP, AM 820, will air Mark Davis' show on Monday from 830 AM to 1100 AM, Central Time.
WBAP is a DAllas station. I have no idea if he's syndicated to any other Texas radio stations.
Wherever you are, you can listen over the 'net at http://www.WBAP.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Click on "Listen Live"
in the upper right corner of their home page. It may take a minute to kick in w/ the audio.

There are many forum members who have contributed to this thread, who we usually
do not get postings from. That's because this subject is near and dear to everyone's
heart. I'm glad to see many members here riled up about this affront to our rights.

As an NRA member, this is the type of thing I joined for - NRA resources may very well
be used to help us out here. NRA's got the lawyers who can take the State FAir to the
woodshed.

TSRA - I'm sure they'll help out too, but I am not as familiar with them.

SIA

[gemini]

Just wondering, If they are denying us access to state property and we have legal access to it, is that in its self not a crime. Why then can't we have the individual preventing us from entering arrested? Just a thought. Also here is a link from a couple years ago as well as a etter I got back from DPS chl people.

http://www.prattontexas.com/_disc1/0000016c.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

**************************EMAIL Bottom up********************************
I ahve njot heard of this. You may wish to speak with the company and is contracted to provide the security guards at The State Fair.

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email transmission is confidential. It may also be subject to certain privileges. This information is provided based on a specific fact situation and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution (other than to the addressee(s) named above), copying, or the taking of any action based on this information is strictly prohibited. If you received this information in error, please immediately notify us by return email and delete this message.
Rene M.
Customer Service Representative I
Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau


From: D.S [mailto:removed]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:25 PM
To: CHLS
Subject: Collecting information
Importance: High
I am not sure if this is the correct place to write, but it is a start. There have been reports of the Security Guards at the Dallas State Fair ground collecting Names, addresses, DL#,CHL# of CHL holders as you enter the fair and refusing you access if you do not comply. I thought our information was protected and are we obligated to comply with the request.

Thank you for posting this. It means that the Fair is STILL getting away with these actions. TSRA alert to members in 2007?
I wonder why they didn't take this to the mat at that time?

[Carrots]

" I ahve njot heard of this. You may wish to speak with the company and is contracted to provide the security guards at The State Fair." (sic)

And this is a great example of the caliber of moron that we all freely send all of our information to in order to get a licence in the first place. Either unable or unwilling to string a single sentence together coherently. The outrage on this issue is justified, but there are a lot of other idiots handling all of our particulars on a daily basis. They may just be a voice on the end of a telephone or a name on a canned robo letter but the ends are the same ; someone somewhere logging you in. This concerns me far more than a rent a guard manning the turnstile at some sort of carnival, as at least with the latter you can gracefully flip ‘em the metaphorical bird and cheerfully take your business elsewhere.

The house always wins and someone somewhere has a file for all of us.

That is not to say that this is not a good fight because it surely is, but from what I see we as individuals gave up our freedoms to the world long ago.

I suspect that srothstein is correct that whilst this is undoubtedly nefarious it is not presently illegal, and therefore ones only recourse is to publish the facts and hope that enough people vote with their feet. Money talks & moral seems to walk these days.

I went to the Rice Festival in Winnie last night to catch Jerry Jeff. There were no signs, no metal detectors, and there was a very low key police presence. No questions, no record taking and the only requirement for admission was a smile for the volunteers and a tip of the hat to the local ladies. Sure it is not on the scale of the State Fair but what makes one public outdoor community based fair/festival apparently more sinister than another is quite the mystery to me, although as an out of towner perhaps I am naive to the danger of a huge field filled with elephant ear eating Texans

Oh and in case anyone cares Mr. Walker did well for a man into his 70's, even if he has swapped his boots for a pair of pumps

[gemini]

gemini:
You rock on armed brother, with this crusade to preserve our CHL rights at the State Fair.
We are all very appreciative of your principled stand at the State Fair gate, and your determined
followthrough after the fact. Without you opening this thread, the rest of us would be in the dark.

All on the forum:
Gemini has truly done the rest of us a service by fighting for what is right.

WBAP, AM 820, will air Mark Davis' show on Monday from 830 AM to 1100 AM, Central Time.
WBAP is a DAllas station. I have no idea if he's syndicated to any other Texas radio stations.
Wherever you are, you can listen over the 'net at http://www.WBAP.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Click on "Listen Live"
in the upper right corner of their home page. It may take a minute to kick in w/ the audio.

There are many forum members who have contributed to this thread, who we usually
do not get postings from. That's because this subject is near and dear to everyone's
heart. I'm glad to see many members here riled up about this affront to our rights.

As an NRA member, this is the type of thing I joined for - NRA resources may very well
be used to help us out here. NRA's got the lawyers who can take the State FAir to the
woodshed.

TSRA - I'm sure they'll help out too, but I am not as familiar with them.

SIA

Thank you Sir, but I'm just a regular guy, same as others on this forum. I have a family, born and raised in Texas,
I pay taxes and I go to church on a regular basis. I really appreciate all the support I've found at this and other pro
CHL/2nd ammendment forums. I can only assure you I won't easily throw in the towel. Thanks again for the kind words,
and I hope everyone is able to hear Mark Davis' show on Monday.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

all:

On Monday, 10/5, during Mark Davis' show, I happen to be off and will be able to listen
to the whole show from start to finish.

I am going to attempt to call in to the show, if they will be taking callers. (I'm not a listener
to this show, so I'm not sure of his format).

If I get through, I will try to fight my nervousnes and try to make a cogent argument against
what the State Fair people are doing. I will probably be introduced as "______ from Lewisville."

Although there is a variety of ways that we can make our displeasure known to the State Fair
contacts, it would be great if any and all of us forum members can try to call in to the show.

For anyone who might be able to get through, please try to mention Texashchlforum.com and maybe
your screen name if you think it appropriate.

Although we are hot under the collar about this outrage, try to keep your voice calm and rational.
We may be gun nuts in one sense, but our image to the WBAP audience should be one of studied knowlege of
our Texas CHL statutes.

SIA

[KD5NRH]

I ahve njot heard of this. You may wish to speak with the company and is contracted to provide the security guards at The State Fair.

More useful might be contacting their insurance company to find out if a little less-than-250-employee security company mentioned that they would be handling a ridiculous amount of sensitive personal information during this contract, rather than just watching a gate and a couple of cash registers.

EDIT TO ADD: I notice Platinum is listed as "Platinum Security and Consulting." Are they actually providing uniformed officers at the site, or are they possibly just leasing the fair some equipment and advising on security measures? The uniform could be nearly anything, but it would have to include the word security, the officer's last name, and the name or logo of the company (armed officers must have at least the company name - unarmed can have the "board approved logo" and/or the name) "clearly visible" on the outermost garment.

[gemini]

I ahve njot heard of this. You may wish to speak with the company and is contracted to provide the security guards at The State Fair.

More useful might be contacting their insurance company to find out if a little less-than-250-employee security company mentioned that they would be handling a ridiculous amount of sensitive personal information during this contract, rather than just watching a gate and a couple of cash registers.

EDIT TO ADD: I notice Platinum is listed as "Platinum Security and Consulting." Are they actually providing uniformed officers at the site, or are they possibly just leasing the fair some equipment and advising on security measures? The uniform could be nearly anything, but it would have to include the word security, the officer's last name, and the name or logo of the company (armed officers must have at least the company name - unarmed can have the "board approved logo" and/or the name) "clearly visible" on the outermost garment.

Interesting point. Thanks. The gate supervisor "Don", was wearing a red polo type shirt. On the right chest a white oval name tag. The
only name on the tag was "Don". I did not get his last name. I noticed no company logo. No other markings.
The Head of security, Steve Ledbetter, was wearing a dark blue or black polo type shirt. On the right chest a white name tag. The only name on the tag was "Steve". I noticed no company logo. No other markings.
I saw several folks walking around with white polo type shirts, some with baseball style caps, and they were marked security.
With the exception of the DPD Officers, I did not notice that Don, Steve Ledbetter or any other security folks were armed. I don't believe they were but.......concealed is concealed.
I will pass this info along.

[ScubaSigGuy]

Just to clarify... According to Mr. Ledbetter he is in charge of the gates only, and is in no way involved in security. In his words, he makes sure that everyone coming into the fair has a ticket.

[gemini]

Just to clarify... According to Mr. Ledbetter he is in charge of the gates only, and is in no way involved in security. In his words, he makes sure that everyone coming into the fair has a ticket.

I was never asked if I had purchased a ticket or not. Steve Ledbetter's entire conversation consisted of him letting me know that
without my information being recorded I would not be allowed into the Fair. The mention of CHL's causing problems, lost weapons etc etc etc. Sounds to me like he's (Ledbetter) talking out of both sides of his mouth. I was led to believe Don (red shirt) was the gate supervisor. That is who showed up first and was the first contact I had with a Fair official after speaking to the DPD officer on the stand.
The DPD officer requested a "gate supervisor" on his radio. I heard him with my own ears. Don came.
After I told Don it was not private property, I believe he called Steve Ledbetter.
Steve Ledbetter was the second Fair official to have contact with me, and he certainly behaved as if he had the authority and the job of denying access to the Fair grounds of anyone not willing to submit to the personal information demand. The DPD officer kind of shrugged, like, what he says goes. Does that sound like a ticket taker or security?
Passing the buck and not taking responsibility, or now claiming "I make sure everyone has a ticket", doesn't fly.

[03Lightningrocks]

It is beginning to sound a little bit like this may be more of an individual persons procedure than actual company policy. I wonder who the person is that instituted the procedures to be followed? The true powers in charge may know little to nothing about what is happening on the front lines. Just a thought I had.

[gemini]

It is beginning to sound a little bit like this may be more of an individual persons procedure than actual company policy. I wonder who the person is that instituted the procedures to be followed? The true powers in charge may know little to nothing about what is happening on the front lines. Just a thought I had.

I would say it is company policy. The reason: I called the General Managers office to ask about the CHL policy. Earl McCoy (General Manager) was not available, but the lady that answered the phone confirmed that they do require your information to be logged. The direct number to that office is 214-421-8730.

[C-dub]

If nothing else, they might be breaking the law as there are specific guidelines as to how certain entities handled NPPI. Mr. L. did refer to me the company in charge of handling security and gave me their number.
Platinum Security 214-364-9499

I just called this number and spoke to a man named Kelly. He said this number is his work phone and he works for UT, not Platinum Security.

[mred]

Is this the same platinum security out of california?

[C-dub]

Don't know. It could be these folks.
http://www.platinumesi.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or this guy here.
http://www.texasdiscoverygardens.org/set_up_labor.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Security
Platinum Security
Joe Mata, 214.365.9499

There's that number. The previous one posted and the one I called was one number off.