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kauboy · #16

wrt45 wrote: But it goes against the grain (IMHO) to say you need one so you don't have to fear out-of-control and arrogant public servants who are determined to have their way, regardless of law.

BINGO!!! +5

BTW, I have every intention of getting my CHL as soon as I can, but until then, if the law says I can protect myself within the confines of my vehicle, why wouldn't I?

seamusTX · #17

Rich people and those with political connections can break the law with impunity because they'll get a pass.

Poor people can break the law with impunity because they don't care about the consequences, including going to prison.

Middle-class people who want to be responsible and take care of their families cannot afford to get in trouble with the law, even if they are morally in the right.

There are a few brave idealists who take on the system. Sometimes they win, but they usually pay a high price.

None of this is right; it's just the way it is.

If you're willing to put time, energy, and money on the line, I think you will find it more productive to work the system. Texas has CHL today largely because of the spark provided by one woman, Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who ran for the legislature after her parents were killed in the Kileen Luby's massacre.

- Jim

kauboy · #18

seamusTX wrote: Middle-class people who want to be responsible and take care of their families cannot afford to get in trouble with the law, even if they are morally in the right.

I don't believe that morality is the issue. If a law is in place, it MUST be followed by everyone. You can't simply ignore a law and expect to never be called on it (in an arresting officer's or DA's situation).

One person can make a difference, as you stated above, but first that person has to be willing to get stepped on and come out on top.

cyphur · #19

+1 with seamus. I don't have the luxury to chase moral and ethical dreams, I have a family to support.

I will stand up for what I believe in, but I am not going to go chasing the opportunity to put myself in between a rock and a hard place.

kauboy · #20

:shock::shock:
Its not a luxury!!! Its your RIGHT AND OBLIGATION AS A FREE AMERICAN!

seamusTX · #21

kauboy wrote:One person can make a difference, as you stated above, but first that person has to be willing to get stepped on and come out on top.

Yes. It's a brave stand.

But you had better have a strategy and allies. Look at the activists who succeeded and those who failed. I mentioned Rosa Parks earlier. She threw her entire life into the civil rights struggle, but she also had a plan and organizations backing her.

Otherwise you're just throwing yourself on the opponents' bayonettes.

- Jim

kauboy · #22

This may be somewhat bold of me, but would I have allies from here?
Would anyone on this board come to my aid and defense?
I know many from other areas that would, but is there enough bravery in these ranks to step up to that challange? Or would the red tape bind you to the floor?

kw5kw · #23

kauboy wrote:If none of you would be willing to stand up for the law, then why do you even carry?

I think its unfortunate that many are afraid to take a lawful stand on this issue becasue you fear court costs. If beuacracy will always be your reason for not standing for what is right, then all a government has to do is put more red tape in your way to keep you down.

I have and will always live by the saying: "Stand for what is right, even if your're standing alone."

EDIT: I understand how the above comment could seem harsh or brazen but its not meant to be an attack on anyone.

Then, if you don't have your CHL, you can do it for us, can't you?

kauboy · #24

kw5kw wrote: Then, if you don't have your CHL, you can do it for us, can't you?

Yes I can. I will continue to carry my firearm in my vehicle because the law says I can. And if I ever get arrested over it, I will fight it tooth and nail.

But the real question is, would you support my struggle? Or would you just let the government continue to walk all over you?

EDIT: Unfortunately, since I will be applying for my CHL in a month, the potential for litigation is somewhat limited. But nonetheless, I will continue to have it in there 'til then.

seamusTX · #25

kauboy wrote:This may be somewhat bold of me, but would I have allies from here?
Would anyone on this board come to my aid and defense?

I don't know you well enough to say that I would. You joined this forum yesterday. I don't know what kind of spokesman you would be in public or what baggage you would be carrying.

I'm going to be quite frank here: There are many in this country that share my views on RKBA issues, but I would not give them the time of day because they are bigots or otherwise repugnant to me.

- Jim

kw5kw · #26

kauboy wrote:
kw5kw wrote: Then, if you don't have your CHL, you can do it for us, can't you?
Yes I can. I will continue to carry my firearm in my vehicle because the law says I can. And if I ever get arrested over it, I will fight it tooth and nail.

But the real question is, would you support my struggle, or let the government continue to walk all over you?

I follow what Peter said 1Peter ii:13.

Russ

kauboy · #27

seamusTX, I guarantee that I am no bigot and carry no baggage. But I completely understand your position to not openly support a stranger. I hope over time, that your perception of me will change, and I feel it is my duty to see to it that it does. I really hope that something as superficial as a post count on one forum isn't enough for you to make a permanent judgement of me. I simply don't like the idea of law abiding citizens being wrongfully arrested because of an arrogant DA.

kw5kw wrote: I follow what Peter said 1Peter ii:13.
Russ

I don't know why you removed 3/4ths of your post, but no, I would not ask for your money. Your name on a piece of paper may be in order, but no money.
I too follow the directions of 1Peter2:13, but it speaks of "those who do wrong". My position is not wrong. It is in fact lawful and right. But a morally corrupt authority figure who wishes to deny the word of law and make his own interpretation is not someone I will submit to. If I do not believe in a law, I still abide by it because it IS THE LAW. But this is a case where I am abiding by the law and a District Attorney would see to it that I am treated like a criminal.

seamusTX · #28

kauboy wrote:I hope over time, that your perception of me will change, and I feel it is my duty to see to it that it does. I simply don't like the idea of law abiding citizens being wrongfully arrested because of an arrogant DA.

I should have said welcome to the forum earlier.

I also detest injustice. I have sent checks to support good causes before, and I hope to do so again.

However, you need to understand the monetary cost of legal procedings. The bills mount up fast; and when I say "checks," I'm afraid I'm not talking about five-figure amounts. Texas being an at-will state for most people, if you are employed, you can also expect to be fired when you are arrested for UCW.

- Jim

kauboy · #29

seamusTX wrote:Texas being an at-will state for most people, if you are employed, you can also expect to be fired when you are arrested for UCW.

One of the minor joys of living in this great state

BTW, thanks for the welcome.

SW40VE · #30

I am going to my CHL class this Saturday and I will be driving to Austin to submit my paperwork on Monday to ensure the fingerprints are good enough (I read about doing that in another post). I will still do whatever need be to protect myself and my family, license or not. I am by far no legal expert, but It shouldn't be that hard to find a lawyer who would take the case knowing we could turn around and sue, therefore the lawyer gets paid.