Bank Robbery @ Kroger store

[bdickens]

What Byron said. I think one huge variable is that when given this scenario, each one of us visualizes ourselves in line at our own local store, which has a different layout to the bank area than each other. Sure there are similarities but each location provides a different tactical picture in our hypothetical model and that creates a greater variation in our specific answers.

So yeah... it depends.

Excellent point...........distance from the threat and available cover are two variables that come to mind.

There are an infinite nubber of variables, which is why I answer the way I do.

The scenarios that get presented in these threads never have enough information in them to give an honest answer yes or no. You have to have not only your own mental line in the sand, but your own well thought out set of go- no-go criteria for an armed response.

In some instances, I might take out the robber. In others, I might just be a good witness. It all depends.

[seamusTX]

Tell me again Why are we CHL holders ?

A CHL allows you to do exactly two things: (1) carry a handgun in circumstances where it otherwise would be illegal, and (2) bypass NICS when purchasing a firearm.

it seems most are afraid to get involved or of lawsuits etc

"You're chicken" hasn't had an effect on me since I got out of grade school.

- Jim

[RedRaider]

Tell me again Why are we CHL holders ?

A CHL allows you to do exactly two things: (1) carry a handgun in circumstances where it otherwise would be illegal, and (2) bypass NICS when purchasing a firearm.

it seems most are afraid to get involved or of lawsuits etc

"You're chicken" hasn't had an effect on me since I got out of grade school.

- Jim

Slice,

I really hope this is not the way you spread the word to others about CHL holders and why people should get a CHL as I'm pretty sure your "I got a CHL to be a toughguy and save the world of all crime mentality" represents very few of us on this board. We are not scared..........we are wise and take the use of deadly force very seriously and consider the implications and responsibilities that come along with it. In time I hope you do the same.

[koolaid]

The findings of the masses that replied here are there are those that would and others that would not. Tell me again Why are we CHL holders ?

well everyone has their own reason for having one. OR were we all told different things in our classes by the instructors of what we can and can not do

oh we can, it seems most are afraid to get involved or of lawsuits etc

I decided to get a CHL to protect myself and my family. Taking a huge risk of getting bogged down in legal bills or jail by starting a gunfight in a busy grocery store to protect someone else's insured money does exactly the opposite of that.

[5thGenTexan]

Don't know since I tend to shop well after the bank has closed, but since this guy by discharging 2 rounds has already shown a propensity toward violence I would have to lean heavily toward taking a shot if I had a brick hall for a backstop and he was dumb enough to leave via the long way out of the store, since the self checkouts in mine are at the opposite end from the bank. If the back stop is plateglass he gets a pass unless he stops to fire again.

[Slice]

Red raider wrote


A CHL allows you to do exactly two things: (1) carry a handgun in circumstances where it otherwise would be illegal, and (2) bypass NICS when purchasing a firearm.



# 1 ) for what reason would you "just "carry a handgun. just to carry and never use when its needed....

# 2) okay

[C-dub]

Thank you Seamus, for pointing out that we do not carry a gun to kill someone. I am not a BG. I/we carry one to protect ourselves and our family first and foremost. Anyone that does carry a gun to kill someone is, well, a BG. Am I wrong?

The bank at my grocery store is further inside the store off to the side, near the bakery. The checkout likes are closer to the front door than the bank. If I heard shots and looked over I may be seeing another CHL or off-duty LEO drawing on the actual BG.

[Oldgringo]

Am I missing something?

Look up the definition of TROLL in the http://www.urbandictionary.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Do the remarks subsequent to the OP qualify as a TROLL?

[C-dub]

Good catch OG. Your Trolldar might be spot on tonight.

[seamusTX]

# 1 ) for what reason would you "just "carry a handgun. just to carry and never use when its needed....

I have a number of reasons.

The first and foremost is that it is my right to do so, however taxed and infringed.

Second, the fact that I can do so annoys some people who I think need annoying. (Or at least it'sfun.)

A weapon is a means of self-defense in the rare event that it is needed. Quite often, the mere display of a weapon ends a criminal assault. If not, we have trained for that sequence of events.

The Texas CHL law does not provide for any use or power beyond carrying a handgun. Chapter 9 of the penal code has nothing to do with carrying a weapon legally or illegally.

Federal law allows the NICS bypass and some exemption for the idiotic "Gun Free School Zone" law.

As I wrote earlier, acting as an unpaid security guard is not on my to-do list. Nobody gets a medal for that. The best that they do is not to be indicted or sued. They do not have the police union lawyer or the 100 Club on their side.

- Jim

[boomerang]

I carry a gun in case I need one. Same as my retirement savings.

[Slice]

Redraider wrote


To Slice : I really hope this is not the way you spread the word to others about CHL holders and why people should get a CHL as I'm pretty sure your "I got a CHL to be a toughguy and save the world of all crime mentality" represents very few of us on this board. We are not scared..........we are wise and take the use of deadly force very seriously and consider the implications and responsibilities that come along with it. In time I hope you do the same.




Funny thing RR you have no idea whom or what I am about but you verbally attack me as being a tough guy.....We all took the same course passing all the same questions, rules, back ground checks etc. we all ask questions from the instructors what if ? can we do this ? Seems we did not have the same instructor. That's why we all have our own opinions. next time think before you accuse someone of being a tough guy don't be an foot

[RedRaider]

vinnier6 wrote :

no one knows how or what they would do faced with the situation... I totally agree




i would hope i would shoot and kill the criminal, and believe thats why we all have a chl.... [ This is the correct answer ]

Slice,

I will digress on the toughguy comment and appologize as it probably did come accross as a personal attack, however, it was based off your response above along with the comment that some of us are too scared to get involved. I agree, we all will have numerous opionions regarding the scenario presented, I guess my point was that I and probably a majority of the people on this board did not get a CHL to shoot and kill criminals, and just because we try to find ways to avoid use of deadly force does not make us scared.

[Morgan]

And on the other side of the coin, just because a person WOULD intervene if they felt a criminal in a public place needed to be stopped, even though they were not directly involved in the incident, does not mean that they got their CHL "just to shoot criminals" and doesn't necessarily have a vigilante attitude.

Just like a person isn't a coward because they wouldn't intervene, a person wasn't "looking to shoot someone" just because they did. Some people tend toward the side of self preservation. Some tend toward the side of protecting their fellow man. It's not a black and white issue. It's not an either/or situation. There's a blurry continuum between the two. Assuming someone's stance is totally 100% that which is presented in a 5 sentence internet post is bad logic.

[KD5NRH]

I/we carry one to protect ourselves and our family first and foremost.

I carry a fire extinguisher to protect myself, my family and my vehicle. That doesn't mean I'm going to stand by and be a good witness while somebody else burns to death just because I'd be taking a risk by using my fire extinguisher to help them.

Maybe all the "my gun is for my protection only" folks need to decide on a particular identifying piece of clothing so the rest of us will know never to put ourselves in any (real or perceived) danger to help them, no matter how dire the circumstances.