Troubling trend on TexasCHLforum.com

[longtooth]

I will not go look up this stat but there is no doubt in my mind we have had to discipline more in the last 9 months than in the previous 4.5yrs.

Oh dear! I've been here 9 months almost exactly to the day. Am I in trouble again?

I dont think I took your name yesterday Joe. I turned the list in to charles last night tho so cant remember for sure.
LT

[shortysboy09]

While I haven't been a member here for very long I have been a member on other forums as well as a moderator on one other one. I will tell you, these moderators have a lot of things to dig through and a lot of complaints to take care of. They basically have to scan every word we put on these forums to make it a friendly atmosphere and keep the peace.

This forum is controlled very well by the moderation staff and I have not seem one incident where they called someone out that was not justified. You would be hard pressed to find a staff that keeps everyone within the rules like this place does. That's the main reason I came here and stuck around. Someone asks a question and it gets answered. Not the 5 pages of joking around to sort through to get to the useful information. I commend every member of the staff here for a job well done in my short time here.

[USA1]

I will not go look up this stat but there is no doubt in my mind we have had to discipline more in the last 9 months than in the previous 4.5yrs.

Oh dear! I've been here 9 months almost exactly to the day. Am I in trouble again?

I dont think I took your name yesterday Joe. I turned the list in to charles last night tho so cant remember for sure.
LT

Uh Oh, there's a list...Yikes

Don't worry Joe. You're one of the most respected members here.

[longtooth]

OH my goodness. Our hats just grew 4 sizes. Thank you shortysboy.

Seriously now.
Yes it is a lot of reading. I confess that in the beginning I had the time to help new shooters learn about arms, range time, gear & carry. One of the mods did the math a few weeks ago. During the day & evening we have to read & if necessary deal w/ a post a minute. At most there are 3 of us on the board at a time.

Thank you for the compliment.
LT

[joe817]

jimlongley, you're logic is inescapable and I totally agree with your conclusions.

[shortysboy09]

OH my goodness. Our hats just grew 4 sizes. Thank you shortysboy.

Seriously now.
Yes it is a lot of reading. I confess that in the beginning I had the time to help new shooters learn about arms, range time, gear & carry. One of the mods did the math a few weeks ago. During the day & evening we have to read & if necessary deal w/ a post a minute. At most there are 3 of us on the board at a time.

Thank you for the compliment.
LT

Haha, Easy now. No big heads!

Well, here's my question and this may already be in the works. Has Charles thought about expanding your staff? Maybe taking a few of your Veteran members and offering them more responsibilities here? I have about 3 members in mind that I have seen to be extremely knowledgeable and have been here for a long time.

[03Lightningrocks]

When there are 5000 people involved, it is highly unlikely that you will find everyone has the same opinions on anything. It is human nature to feel challenged when one is approached with an opinion that conflicts with their own. It is also human nature to bring others into ones way of thinking. This creates debate...which can trigger emotions... in normal folks, lawyers typically don't have this issue... it is what makes them lawyers.

This would be a very boring forum if we had no diversity. If everyone here just parrots the opinion of the mods, it won't be long before this forum is back to 100 members again.

[joe817]

I dont think I took your name yesterday Joe. I turned the list in to charles last night tho so cant remember for sure. LT

Uh Oh, there's a list...Yikes

Don't worry Joe. You're one of the most respected members here.

And may I take this opportunity to compliment all of you on what excellent judge's of character you all are.

[shortysboy09]

When there are 5000 people involved, it is highly unlikely that you will find everyone has the same opinions on anything. It is human nature to feel challenged when one is approached with an opinion that conflicts with their own. It is also human nature to bring others into ones way of thinking. This creates debate...which can trigger emotions... in normal folks, lawyers typically don't have this issue... it is what makes them lawyers.

This would be a very boring forum if we had no diversity. If everyone here just parrots the opinion of the mods, it won't be long before this forum is back to 100 members again.

A very valid point that you make however. The moderators here have not attacked someone that was acting for showing emotions. You can't take things personally because they're not meant that way. The problem I ran into when I was a moderator was that when I disciplined someone for violating a rule they thought I was personally out to get them and I did it just because I didn't like them. But, that's just simply not the way it is. When someone gets disciplined they should change the subject and move on. If you dwell on it then it causes problems.

At the end of the day the rules are exactly what they say and the moderators job is to keep everyone within those boundaries to keep the forum civil.

[Keith B]

OH my goodness. Our hats just grew 4 sizes. Thank you shortysboy.

Seriously now.
Yes it is a lot of reading. I confess that in the beginning I had the time to help new shooters learn about arms, range time, gear & carry. One of the mods did the math a few weeks ago. During the day & evening we have to read & if necessary deal w/ a post a minute. At most there are 3 of us on the board at a time.

Thank you for the compliment.
LT

Ditto from me shortysboy09.

It is a lot of work, but making it a friendly, educational and useful forum is worth it, especially when we have the great members we have that do their best to follow the rules and appreciate the venue.

[03Lightningrocks]

The Sign is incorrect in some way but no one wants to test it
and
Some says "Concealed Means Concealed" implying they should just carry anyway

Then there are those who feel the need to call up the folks with signs that don't count and risk having them correct the situation by giving them lessons on how to properly deny me my right to carry. If the sign is not a 30:06 sign, my assumption is always that they don't want to forbid licensed carry. They are wanting to forbid armed robbers from bringing a gun to the robbery. I see no need to ask them if I am correct as the law already says I am.

And that would be me, because my feeling is that, just as one of our members recently experienced, even if they have the wrong signage or just plain don't know the law, you are likely to take the ride.

Let them know that their sign is wrong, and that you will most likely beat the charge, and that you will also hold them responsible. And also let them know what the compliant sign is, and the fact that it is about 2' by 3' and really ugly.

Let them know that they are only denying law abiding citizens access because criminals won't care what signs are posted, and that you will be influencing others to boycott their business as much as is in their power.

If they repost, all well and good, they don't want your business and they have proved it, and there is no place that posts that can't be replaced. If they don't repost, and you get made, and you wind up taking the ride, the basis for your civil suit is the hard copy letter, registered, return receipt, notifying them that their sign does not comply with Texas law and stating what the law is.

Even in all this you and I have grounds for agreement. If the sign we are talking about is a 30:06 sign that is improperly posted, I can understand why you would want to crusade to get the sign changed. I am one of those folks who doesn't carry a tape measure, so I have no way of judging letter spacing or other details. I also don't carry around a copy of the exact proper wording, so if a few words are wrong, I would never know it. How I handle this is simple, I see a 30:06 sign and I assume I am not welcomed, regardless of the technicalities involved.

On the other hand, if I see a gun busters sign, I assume the place is simply trying to appease the masses. Maybe they just posted the sign because it was in the package of signs they received when they opened shop and it looked cool. What ever the reason, I see no reason to complain about the way the coffee tastes if I am not drinking the coffee.

I think we are off topic...LOL.

[TLynnHughes]

I will not go look up this stat but there is no doubt in my mind we have had to discipline more in the last 9 months than in the previous 4.5yrs.

Oh dear! I've been here 9 months almost exactly to the day. Am I in trouble again?

I dont think I took your name yesterday Joe. I turned the list in to charles last night tho so cant remember for sure.
LT

Uh oh...didn't know about "the list." Hope I'm not on it. I haven't been disciplined yet....at least not directly. Should I expect a time out????

T.

[shortysboy09]

Even in all this you and I have grounds for agreement. If the sign we are talking about is a 30:06 sign that is improperly posted, I can understand why you would want to crusade to get the sign changed. I am one of those folks who doesn't carry a tape measure, so I have no way of judging letter spacing or other details. I also don't carry around a copy of the exact proper wording, so if a few words are wrong, I would never know it. How I handle this is simple, I see a 30:06 sign and I assume I am not welcomed, regardless of the technicalities involved.

On the other hand, if I see a gun busters sign, I assume the place is simply trying to appease the masses. Maybe they just posted the sign because it was in the package of signs they received when they opened shop and it looked cool. What ever the reason, I see no reason to complain about the way the coffee tastes if I am not drinking the coffee.

I think we are off topic...LOL.

I agree with your post to the letter. Off topic, but very good post.

[03Lightningrocks]

When there are 5000 people involved, it is highly unlikely that you will find everyone has the same opinions on anything. It is human nature to feel challenged when one is approached with an opinion that conflicts with their own. It is also human nature to bring others into ones way of thinking. This creates debate...which can trigger emotions... in normal folks, lawyers typically don't have this issue... it is what makes them lawyers.

This would be a very boring forum if we had no diversity. If everyone here just parrots the opinion of the mods, it won't be long before this forum is back to 100 members again.

A very valid point that you make however. The moderators here have not attacked someone that was acting for showing emotions. You can't take things personally because they're not meant that way. The problem I ran into when I was a moderator was that when I disciplined someone for violating a rule they thought I was personally out to get them and I did it just because I didn't like them. But, that's just simply not the way it is. When someone gets disciplined they should change the subject and move on. If you dwell on it then it causes problems.

At the end of the day the rules are exactly what they say and the moderators job is to keep everyone within those boundaries to keep the forum civil.

Other than your first sentence, I am not sure what your response has to do with my post. I haven't witnessed anyone attacking a mod around here. On the contrary, I see major sucking up most of the time. Heck, just look at this thread. If the mods aren't feeling tingles by now, they never will.

[joe817]

It is human nature to feel challenged when one is approached with an opinion that conflicts with their own.

It is??? That's odd. I don't feel challenged at all when someone has a different opinion than my own. Because that's all it is...a difference of opinion. A diversity. It's not right or wrong....just different. I am secure enough in my opinions and convictions to believe I am not attacked when someone has a different opinion than mine.

It is also human nature to bring others into ones way of thinking. This creates debate...which can trigger emotions...

IMHO, this occurs only when one tries to impress upon another their way of thinking and takes it beyond the norm of congenial discord. To me this indicates a need to control another peoples thoughts, which I don't care for in the least.

At the most, we should offer our opinion. If it is rejected then that's fine. In that case, it's an alternative opinion. And alternatives are always a good thing to consider. If it's accepted, then that's fine too. At the least, you've identified another 'kindred spirit'. And that's always a good thing.

Note: the above is merely my opinion, and I stand unanimous in that.