I wish that were the case, but I am afraid that if the Supreme Court gets Obama appointees, the constitution won't mean that much. We have seen what activist judges have done in the past. All too often the judiciary has interpreted constitutional intent counter to what the constitution actually means.joe817 wrote:First of all I don't think the government has the ability to "outlaw" guns. It's in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. In order to "outlaw" or ban guns, the 2nd would have to be repealed, and that would involve a new amendment repealing the 2nd. And that would require ratification by 2/3 of the state legislatures. (note: there are other methods to have an amendment repealed)
Can we say 'snowball's chance'?
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We'll see when McDonald v. Chicago ruling comes down in June.Westfield wrote:I wish that were the case, but I am afraid that if the Supreme Court gets Obama appointees, the constitution won't mean that much. We have seen what activist judges have done in the past. All too often the judiciary has interpreted constitutional intent counter to what the constitution actually means.joe817 wrote:First of all I don't think the government has the ability to "outlaw" guns. It's in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. In order to "outlaw" or ban guns, the 2nd would have to be repealed, and that would involve a new amendment repealing the 2nd. And that would require ratification by 2/3 of the state legislatures. (note: there are other methods to have an amendment repealed)
Can we say 'snowball's chance'?
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Like that's ever stopped him before.drjoker wrote:I think Obama might try some sneaky back door ban like an ammo ban because it will cost too much to buy back all the guns....
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A constible down the street and I were talking about this. I jokingly said....."I would have a lot of guns that suddenly got stolen".
His reponse?........"Call me and I will put you on the list....and write the report for you. Just don't tell me where you buried them."
His reponse?........"Call me and I will put you on the list....and write the report for you. Just don't tell me where you buried them."
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I guess that makes my $99 Hi-Point a "throw away" gun, lol, the jackboots can have that one, the rest will go with me into hiding.
Seriously, examining this what if is a bit scary, but it has happened in other countries, so that's why it is important to stay informed, contact your rep's, both in DC and Austin, and promote all shooting sports, especially to those more "squeamish" when it comes to guns. Let's all be good ambassadors to the gun way of life.
Seriously, examining this what if is a bit scary, but it has happened in other countries, so that's why it is important to stay informed, contact your rep's, both in DC and Austin, and promote all shooting sports, especially to those more "squeamish" when it comes to guns. Let's all be good ambassadors to the gun way of life.
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Buy that man a beer and BBQ for him! He's an ally for sure!Outbreaker wrote:A constible down the street and I were talking about this. I jokingly said....."I would have a lot of guns that suddenly got stolen".
His reponse?........"Call me and I will put you on the list....and write the report for you. Just don't tell me where you buried them."
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"If its time to bury them, its time to use them." is a quote that comes to mind for me anytime I hear someone give advice on how to "hide" guns. If they're buried, they won't stop that robber in the night, or that mugger on the street. What good is it doing you in the ground?
And I wonder how many "armchair commandos" would actually greet a cop at the door or federal agent with a gun and shoot them.
Its not an easy question to think about or wrestle with the implications of. When do my rights to defend myself and the constitution override another mans right to life?
I guess I just think I'd have a much easier time pulling the trigger on someone holding a knife screaming "I'm going to murder you" than an LEO trying to conduct an illegal search and seizure.
I, for one, will continue doing everything I can to support sane lawmakers so I never have to find out the answer of what I would do if it came down to forfeiting my ability to protect my family to the state.
And I wonder how many "armchair commandos" would actually greet a cop at the door or federal agent with a gun and shoot them.
Its not an easy question to think about or wrestle with the implications of. When do my rights to defend myself and the constitution override another mans right to life?
I guess I just think I'd have a much easier time pulling the trigger on someone holding a knife screaming "I'm going to murder you" than an LEO trying to conduct an illegal search and seizure.
I, for one, will continue doing everything I can to support sane lawmakers so I never have to find out the answer of what I would do if it came down to forfeiting my ability to protect my family to the state.
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They would not have to change the constitution. They can regulate us into de facto submission. The gov. could levy taxes on parts, ammo, accessories to the point where we could not afford their use, they could also mandate ownership fees/permits/licences at such prohibitive cost as to virtually disarm the American public.
This among other tings is why I even rebel against the notion of a CCW permit. The 2nd Amendment says our right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed, I feel the need for state controlled permitting is an infringement. I further suggest there be absolutely no laws of any kind that would prohibit, curtail, restrict in any way ones right to bare arms at his or her own discretion, concealed or otherwise, any where they wish to go...ie., across state lines, to the local Chilli's/bar, Ranger games, to school to pick up our children/ grandchildren...anywhere, period.
How long would it take if confiscation became the law of the land before violence broke out. Who would be the new Minutemen that stood on a bridge and said N O you shall not pass? How long...
This among other tings is why I even rebel against the notion of a CCW permit. The 2nd Amendment says our right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed, I feel the need for state controlled permitting is an infringement. I further suggest there be absolutely no laws of any kind that would prohibit, curtail, restrict in any way ones right to bare arms at his or her own discretion, concealed or otherwise, any where they wish to go...ie., across state lines, to the local Chilli's/bar, Ranger games, to school to pick up our children/ grandchildren...anywhere, period.
How long would it take if confiscation became the law of the land before violence broke out. Who would be the new Minutemen that stood on a bridge and said N O you shall not pass? How long...
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Which is why I wish I was born in 1800's. Open carry, and they hung horse thieves on the spot. What ever happened to the good ol' days?Mac1972 wrote:They would not have to change the constitution. They can regulate us into de facto submission. The gov. could levy taxes on parts, ammo, accessories to the point where we could not afford their use, they could also mandate ownership fees/permits/licences at such prohibitive cost as to virtually disarm the American public.
This among other tings is why I even rebel against the notion of a CCW permit. The 2nd Amendment says our right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed, I feel the need for state controlled permitting is an infringement. I further suggest there be absolutely no laws of any kind that would prohibit, curtail, restrict in any way ones right to bare arms at his or her own discretion, concealed or otherwise, any where they wish to go...ie., across state lines, to the local Chilli's/bar, Ranger games, to school to pick up our children/ grandchildren...anywhere, period.
How long would it take if confiscation became the law of the land before violence broke out. Who would be the new Minutemen that stood on a bridge and said N O you shall not pass? How long...
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2 Things you would missCaptWoodrow10 wrote: Which is why I wish I was born in 1800's. Open carry, and they hung horse thieves on the spot. What ever happened to the good ol' days?
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And the DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket!marksiwel wrote:2 Things you would missCaptWoodrow10 wrote: Which is why I wish I was born in 1800's. Open carry, and they hung horse thieves on the spot. What ever happened to the good ol' days?
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Dont forget Quality control. It must be fun knowing that your pistol could blow up in your hand.
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Do you think there would be a federal tax credit or subsidy for low income gun owners?Mac1972 wrote:They would not have to change the constitution. They can regulate us into de facto submission. The gov. could levy taxes on parts, ammo, accessories to the point where we could not afford their use, they could also mandate ownership fees/permits/licences at such prohibitive cost as to virtually disarm the American public.
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Yeah, but I could still have my Henry. Might even get me one of those Winchesters so loading would be easier.PSLOwner wrote:And the DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket!marksiwel wrote:2 Things you would missCaptWoodrow10 wrote: Which is why I wish I was born in 1800's. Open carry, and they hung horse thieves on the spot. What ever happened to the good ol' days?
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