Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA

[sf340b]

Maybe I missed it, but I think there is a better solution to this problem. We could let the marketplace make the decision for us. That way, if Texas wants its residents to use Texas CHLs instead of other states, it fixes the CHL system to make the Texas CHL more competitive on the market. In other words, lower the price, speed up the process (though they are doing very well right now), cut the number of ways a license gets suspended, allow anyone aho can legally own a gun (and therefore carry it in their car) to get a CHL, etc.

Look at the reasons given for people getting out of state CHLs. Are the reasons they give really good reasons for Texas to stop them from getting a Texas CHL?

They can't do this it might work. Then where would we be?

[The Annoyed Man]

Apparently the state of Texas thinks so. And frankly that's all that matters. This is, after all, about politics not the marketplace. If Texans think the CHL laws should be more similar to Utah's, then they need to elect legislators who agree with them or convince the existing legislators to alter the law.

Exactly.

[Hoi Polloi]

The state of Texas is an an economic entity and many of its decisions are made based on the promotion of economics. That's why they instituted 4A and 4B corporations so that cities could promote economics as an end to itself the way the state does. Economic competition only runs up against the issue of when we have moral or safety issue that require us to draw the line on what we will allow, independent of what is economically advantageous. True libertarians and anarchists would say that there is no situation in which that's the case while most conservatives would follow issues of ethics and morality to them while most liberals would follow issues of value to them, speaking broadly.

So the real question here is what should the laws be and how do we get them there?
The contingency plan if that doesn't work shouldn't be the first run.

[CollinLeon]

So when I’m 96, my hands shake, and I can’t see ten feet with thick glasses, I can get a Utah license and carry in Texas? That’s good to know. Yall be safe now.

Well, isn't that better than just painting a Scarlet "V" (for "victim") on your forehead?

For that matter, why shouldn't someone who is confined to a wheelchair and totally blind not be able to defend themselves? I don't seem to remember the Founding Fathers saying anything about age or infirmity in the 2nd Amendment. In fact, I'm pretty sure that they said, "SHALL NO BE INFRINGED". As such, even the requirement to get a CHL is an infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights.

[sss]

I chose to go with a non-resident Florida CWL instead of the Texas CHL because of the cost ($75 state fee) and because the license is valid for 7 years. As far as I'm concerned, this makes the Florida license much more desirable than the Texas license. I would be very disappointed if the legislature chose to stop honoring non-resident licenses because of an overhyped "loophole" created by the media.

[baldeagle]

I chose to go with a non-resident Florida CWL instead of the Texas CHL because of the cost ($75 state fee) and because the license is valid for 7 years. As far as I'm concerned, this makes the Florida license much more desirable than the Texas license. I would be very disappointed if the legislature chose to stop honoring non-resident licenses because of an overhyped "loophole" created by the media.

And yet legislatures pass laws every day because of overhyped issues created by the media. Go figure.

You see, we've trained our politicians, by re-electing them repeatedly even after they abuse our rights, that it's OK for them to use overhyped or patently false information to create new laws that consolidate more power in their hands. We cede our liberties almost daily by inaction.

True patriots will dedicate their lives to working hard every day to convince all that they know that every time a legislature passes a law, we lose liberty. We ought, then, to be most jealous of our liberties and loath to cede them to our governments. If more Americans understood that, we'd still be able to choose the toilet we like, buy light bulbs we wanted, smoke in our favorite restaurant and carry a gun wherever we wanted to. For far too long we've looked to government to solve every problem for us, giving up our liberties inch by inexorable inch.

So now we argue about whether or not it's right for the state to allow residents to use non-resident permits to carry within our state, when the real argument should be, what on earth gave our state the idea that they could regulate our right to carry a weapon in the first place?

[CollinLeon]

So now we argue about whether or not it's right for the state to allow residents to use non-resident permits to carry within our state, when the real argument should be, what on earth gave our state the idea that they could regulate our right to carry a weapon in the first place?

The leftist gun laws that we have in Texas are a carryover from the occupation of Texas after the War of Northern Aggression by the Yankee Imperialistic forces. We've been trying to throw off the yoke of Yankee Imperialism ever since then... They installed their puppet government at that time and pushed through many laws to take away our rights.

[jester]

So now we argue about whether or not it's right for the state to allow residents to use non-resident permits to carry within our state

Meanwhile the Bradys, HCI, etc. laugh at their success in tricking some gun owners to support the anti-RKBA agenda.

[jester]

Maybe I missed it, but I think there is a better solution to this problem. We could let the marketplace make the decision for us. That way, if Texas wants its residents to use Texas CHLs instead of other states, it fixes the CHL system to make the Texas CHL more competitive on the market. In other words, lower the price, speed up the process (though they are doing very well right now), cut the number of ways a license gets suspended, allow anyone aho can legally own a gun (and therefore carry it in their car) to get a CHL, etc.

That's an excellent idea.

[The Annoyed Man]

So now we argue about whether or not it's right for the state to allow residents to use non-resident permits to carry within our state, when the real argument should be, what on earth gave our state the idea that they could regulate our right to carry a weapon in the first place?

The leftist gun laws that we have in Texas are a carryover from the occupation of Texas after the War of Northern Aggression by the Yankee Imperialistic forces. We've been trying to throw off the yoke of Yankee Imperialism ever since then... They installed their puppet government at that time and pushed through many laws to take away our rights.

Good Lord. Are you serious? You're going to blame today's political reality on what happened 145 years ago? Whatever happened to our responsibilities today, each and every one of us, to be educated voters who pay attention to the issues, and to turn out to vote in greater percentages than a mere 30%-40% of the eligible electorate... ...not to mention our responsibilities as parents and tax-payers to insist that our children be educated in the originalist intent of our Constitution?

With all due respect, your answer is too simplistic. It makes you sound like a victim, which your are not. Maybe 145 years ago, your ancestors were victims, but you are not. You're using the same argument to justify your current predicament which race baiters also use to justify perpetual racial victimhood because, also 145 years ago, slaves existed in this land. I apologize if this sounds harsh, but if you are going to blame your dissatisfaction with today's political realities on something that happened 145 years ago, then you are not a properly informed voter. And I submit that your proper responsibility to this nation, if you are dissatisfied with its current condition, is to vote on an informed basis about what is happening currently.

Moderators, feel free to delete this response if I'm in the wrong here, but I'm not going to take it down myself. Sometimes a dose of reality is in order.

[Salty1]

In my opinion this clowns 2 minutes of fame will be the root cause of additional legislation in Austin, I sure hope it does not distract from the issues such as campus carry and parking lot bills that have been worked on for years now. The anti's are going to have a field day with this, we have not heard the end of it. He runs a business out of his house and did 2000 students, basically he made $200k without any overhead, wonder how much of that is claimed on his taxes? It would be a shame if the IRS took a look at his business

I have seen his signs on the side of roads and posting in Craigslist for this class. In my opinion he has hurt everyone of us, f common sense and know when to keep ones mouth shut seems to not be his strong suit...

[Hoi Polloi]

In my opinion this clowns 2 minutes of fame will be the root cause of additional legislation in Austin, I sure hope it does not distract from the issues such as campus carry and parking lot bills that have been worked on for years now. The anti's are going to have a field day with this, we have not heard the end of it. He runs a business out of his house and did 2000 students, basically he made $200k without any overhead, wonder how much of that is claimed on his taxes? It would be a shame if the IRS took a look at his business

I have seen his signs on the side of roads and posting in Craigslist for this class. In my opinion he has hurt everyone of us, f common sense and know when to keep ones mouth shut seems to not be his strong suit...

Yes, and he really shot himself in the foot, too, as his revenue stream could really be dried up after that.

[albertson]

I took Brad's Utah Class a couple of years ago. I didn't do it to get out of the range requirement. I did it because Texas was taking too long processing the CHL apps. I had already taken the Texas class and my Texas app was in process. After a couple of months of no activity on my app, I took the Utah class. As you might expect, I got my Utah plastic about 1.5 months before the Texas plastic finally showed up.

[Teamless]

I got my Utah plastic about 1.5 months before the Texas plastic finally showed up.

but you did take the Texas class and get the Texas License

[albertson]

I got my Utah plastic about 1.5 months before the Texas plastic finally showed up.

but you did take the Texas class and get the Texas License

That is true, but I can't say that I would have, had I known about the Utah license, beforehand.