Anyone know of a CHL class in Spanish?

[Charles L. Cotton]

I think it only makes sense to learn the language of the country where you are going to live. I also don't like the cost to the government of printing things in two languages. These comments are not a matter of prejudice but practicality.

That said, I think having CHL classes available in different languages is an excellent idea. Learning something as important as the use of deadly force (and other subjects in the CHL class) will always be easier in your native language and your knowledge retention will be better. It's one thing to become functional in a second language, but becoming truly fluent can take years. If the immigrant happens to be elderly, then the task of learning in a second language is even harder.

As Steve said, this is a great niche market for people fluent in other languages!

Chas.

[ScottDLS]

I think it only makes sense to learn the language of the country where you are going to live. I also don't like the cost to the government of printing things in two languages. These comments are not a matter of prejudice but practicality.

That said, I think having CHL classes available in different languages is an excellent idea. Learning something as important as the use of deadly force (and other subjects in the CHL class) will always be easier in your native language and your knowledge retention will be better. It's one thing to become functional in a second language, but becoming truly fluent can take years. If the immigrant happens to be elderly, then the task of learning in a second language is even harder.

As Steve said, this is a great niche market for people fluent in other languages!

Chas.

Do you know if the written test must be administered in English? I was thinking that would be the hardest part for someone less than fluent.

[tacticool]

I think it only makes sense to learn the language of the country where you are going to live. I also don't like the cost to the government of printing things in two languages. These comments are not a matter of prejudice but practicality.

That said, I think having CHL classes available in different languages is an excellent idea. Learning something as important as the use of deadly force (and other subjects in the CHL class) will always be easier in your native language and your knowledge retention will be better. It's one thing to become functional in a second language, but becoming truly fluent can take years. If the immigrant happens to be elderly, then the task of learning in a second language is even harder.

As Steve said, this is a great niche market for people fluent in other languages!

Chas.

Do you know if the written test must be administered in English? I was thinking that would be the hardest part for someone less than fluent.

I'm the opposite. I can understand written Spanish better than spoken.

BUT the FAQ on the previous page asked that question and DPS didn't say the test had to be in English.

[jframe.38]

This is the second post in a little over a month that could be construed as insulting to someone looking for, or someone trying to assist someone trying to get a CHL.

The first thread got locked. It was from someone exploring getting another state's CHL due to money concerns. It got locked after it became quite uncivil.

I think that we should watch our comments and keep in mind that we need to grow our community. I believe that nothing so much insures the political viability and acceptance of CHL as growing the number of qualified CHLers.

I think that comments like this can scare off potential future CHLers and can be off putting to members of the public who are neutral on CHL. It may even feed into stereotypes that people have of our community.

I think we should all be more careful prior to hitting the post button.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I think it only makes sense to learn the language of the country where you are going to live. I also don't like the cost to the government of printing things in two languages. These comments are not a matter of prejudice but practicality.

That said, I think having CHL classes available in different languages is an excellent idea. Learning something as important as the use of deadly force (and other subjects in the CHL class) will always be easier in your native language and your knowledge retention will be better. It's one thing to become functional in a second language, but becoming truly fluent can take years. If the immigrant happens to be elderly, then the task of learning in a second language is even harder.

As Steve said, this is a great niche market for people fluent in other languages!

Chas.

Do you know if the written test must be administered in English? I was thinking that would be the hardest part for someone less than fluent.

I've never heard anything in instructor classes about requiring testing in English.

Chas.

[ScottDLS]

This is the second post in a little over a month that could be construed as insulting to someone looking for, or someone trying to assist someone trying to get a CHL.
...

No it isn't. I've read every comment on this thread. It's not insulting to suggest that it's tough to make do in the USA without a basic knowledge of English, any more than it is to say it would be kind of tough to live/work long term in Mexico without speaking passable Spanish. Numerous people suggested ideas for translators, multi-language instruction, etc. Even the TXDPS says it's important to teach certain basic English phrases. I'm not sure if multi-language versions of the written test are allowed. No one seems to know... however it IS a requirement to pass a written test to get a CHL. So unless a foreign language version, or the help of a translator is allowed, it's going to be very difficult to pass.

If I move to Paris and decide to be an attorney, I'm not going to go around demanding the French version of their Bar exam (equivalent) in English, or even that they accept my US credentials. If I really want to drive in Texas, but can't afford the insurance and license/testing fees... I'm not going to go looking to see if I can get by w/ a Guatemalan driver's license, and no liability.

People bust my chops if they think one of my positions is wrong. Unless someone's making an ad hominem or personal attack, I can't be offended by strong opinions. (You can, but I won't agree with you).

I've started a few threads that didn't really go where I'd hoped, but I don't demand the mods lock the thread.... take my marbles and go home. I could, but I won't.

[ScottDLS]

I think it only makes sense to learn the language of the country where you are going to live. I also don't like the cost to the government of printing things in two languages. These comments are not a matter of prejudice but practicality.

That said, I think having CHL classes available in different languages is an excellent idea. Learning something as important as the use of deadly force (and other subjects in the CHL class) will always be easier in your native language and your knowledge retention will be better. It's one thing to become functional in a second language, but becoming truly fluent can take years. If the immigrant happens to be elderly, then the task of learning in a second language is even harder.

As Steve said, this is a great niche market for people fluent in other languages!

Chas.

Do you know if the written test must be administered in English? I was thinking that would be the hardest part for someone less than fluent.

I've never heard anything in instructor classes about requiring testing in English.

Chas.

I wasn't sure either, but doesn't the TXDPS supply the actual test questions? Are instructors free to translate them as long as you maintain the integrity of the test? I was kind of under the impression that the DPS gave a standard written test that had to be administered and passed by the student. I've taken 4 classes now since '96 and the instructor just handed out what seemed to be the same standard written test to everyone, then either personally graded them or had us swap and grade. I do remember people being told that you couldn't talk to you "neighbor" for answers during the test either, so I thought that might preclude a translator. I am actually curious for the education of myself and the readers of the thread.

Thanks,

Scott

[Jasonw560]

How far is reasonable for him? Because I am sure one of the instructors in McAllen would teach him.

[javierf]

Greetings to all.

After reading this thread I observed that many here jumped to the conclusion that non-English speakers are all Non US Citizens.

In my family there is a particular need for my wife to get a CHL, mainly for the lessons in law and gun handling. Most likely the gun will be used for inside the home protection.

THIS IS OUR CASE: To start off, my wife is a US Citizen for reason of being born in Puerto Rico (a US Territory) just like me. She was an U.S. Army Wife for 20 years and did exemplary specially while I deployed to OIF. I continue to serve as a Federal employee well beyond 100 miles from our home, the main reason for her need of the CHL. She is learning English but not well enough to attend a "regular" CHL. Put yourself in my shoes.

SO PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE BASED ON CITIZENSHIP, COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OR ANYTHING SIMILAR BECAUSE THERE ARE NON-ENGLISH (FLUENT) SPEAKING U.S.CITIZENS WITH ALL THE RIGHTS PROVIDED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

From Wikipedia: Birthright citizenship in the United States refers to a person's acquisition of United States citizenship by virtue of the circumstances of his or her birth. It contrasts with citizenship acquired in other ways, for example by naturalization later in life. Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, any person born within the United States (including the territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands) and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

[stevie_d_64]

I bet there are DPS Texas "drivers licence" classes offered in Spanish and other languages, but those classes have gone through and had the material required by the state for those students to learn interpreted and verified for accuracy/testing...

I bet if an instructor got someone to take the material and have it prepared in the same way, it could work...I don't have a problem with that...Its their business...

Remember, to carry a concealed firearm for lawful purposes in the state of Texas, you have to complete and test to the material approved by the state...What language that is in, well, thats up to the instructor's clientele...Its a business first and foremost...

Would this mean the material, if it is prepared in a different language, should it go through some verification process to make sure it delivers the same meaning as the English version does???

Just my thoughts and opinion...

[croc870]

Texas Handgun Academy in Garland teaches Spanish classes.

[wheelgun1958]

Ich weiss nicht.

[ScottDLS]

Wow, I'm gone for 8 months and lo and behold a thread picks right back up where I left off!!!

[Ameer]

Ich weiss nicht.

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[Carry-a-Kimber]

Greetings to all.

After reading this thread I observed that many here jumped to the conclusion that non-English speakers are all Non US Citizens.

I did not observe anyone jumping to that conclusion. Welcome to the Forum.