CHLer arrested in improperly posted hospital

[WildBill]

...and, since the charges were dropped, seems that the hospital really wasn't concerned about her type...just" posting "the doors to keep the riff-raff nervous...like a lot of other places do...I'm not for retraining them...

The DA refused to file charges based on the letter of the law. What the hospital did after the fact, I do not know.

[Dragonfighter]

Hospitals and fire-rescue departments in the metroplex have lock boxes, if you are sick or injured, you can inform the MICU crew that you are armed and designate who you want to pick it up. It then goes into a locked gun case and is carried to the hospital with you, the gun is then transferred to THEIR gun case by the PD at the hospital until the designated person comes and picks it up. If unconscious, the same thing happens but it is a little more complicated to prove you are the one to pick it up.

[seamusTX]

...and, since the charges were dropped, seems that the hospital really wasn't concerned about her type...just" posting "the doors to keep the riff-raff nervous..

If you go back to page 8 of this thread, you can see the hospital and all hospitals in the chain now have proper 30.06 signs.

The people who frequent this forum are familiar and comfortable enough with firearms not to have the fantods when one turns up where it isn't supposed to be.

If you think management of any hospital, office, etc., is not going to call the police when a truculent employee is caught with a weapon for the second time, after having been warned, think again. What are they supposed to do?

- Jim

[speedsix]

...if they'd warned her according to law, then she was guilty of criminal trespass regardless of their unenforceable signs...if the hospital wanted her locked up, but the DA wouldn't press charges because the letter of the law wasn't followed...then they hadn't done it according to law...their only option was to fire her...which the thread said they did... and now they've corrected their mistaken signage...and there's one more place that's really off limits to us...

...another case where we need the law changed to allow employees to leave their CHLs in their vehicles on the employers' lots...hope it passes this time...

[seamusTX]

Very few employers want to see an employee prosecuted for minor stuff, even embezzlement, because the employee's defense attorney then has the right to subpeona the employer's records. It can get embarrassing and expensive for the employer, paying lawyers to limit discovery.

Usually the employer just wants the person off the property and then fired.

In this case, the woman walked to work. She didn't drive her own motor vehicle.

That is a problem area that the employee parking lot bill won't solve. Many employees walk, ride bicycles, or take public transportation.

- Jim

[speedsix]

... sorry, I missed the fact that she walked...only way she could enjoy protection is if they had lockboxes similar to police stations when you visit...which means the poor aren't getting equal privilige under the CHL laws...that should be fixed...quickly...
...I know of a company who let someone go who'd stolen(embezzled) over $150,000...and they wouldn't press charges...for that reason that you posted...that's insane...but it does happen...

[seamusTX]

Poor people always get the shaft. Anyone who thinks being poor is a cushy deal needs to give all their money to charity and try being poor.

The employee parking lot issue is not just poor people, though. Many people walk, ride bicycles, or use public transportation for reasons other than poverty.

- Jim

[sugar land dave]

The law doesn't prohibit hospital employees or physicians from carrying—the hospital management does that.

I know that's the case now but it seemed like there was a suggestion hospitals should be off limits, automatically by law like they used to be, because some patients are not thinking straight. If I misundestood the "impaired by pain, illness, or medication" comment by the person who resurrected this thread yesterday, I apologize.

No one need ever apologize to me. I am not at all thin-skinned. I realize that in posing a multitude of somewhat obtuse questions and positions, I may incite someone's wrath. For that I apologize to everyone else. I learn best through interaction outside of "the book," thus I sometimes argue a position which I do not support or which is the opposite of my actual stance.

[WildBill]

No one need ever apologize to me. I am not at all thin-skinned. I realize that in posing a multitude of somewhat obtuse questions and positions, I may incite someone's wrath. For that I apologize to everyone else. I learn best through interaction outside of "the book," thus I sometimes argue a position which I do not support or which is the opposite of my actual stance.

I am so sorry Dave.

[TexasGal]

Since this post has be resurrected from the dead files, I will just add my lament; This ENTIRE fiasco could have been avoided if the hospitals would simply have a secure room with proper lock boxes for CHL employees/patients/visitors to check their guns when arriving. It is the right of the hospital to post against carry, but not their right to keep anyone from being able to legally carry to/from their property. Securing weapons seems the most logical solution for both sides.
The woman in the OP made a wise decision to arm herself due to having to expose herself to danger walking to/from work alone. However, her decison to leave her weapon in her purse at work and out of her direct control in a psych ward was a very foolish risk. The whole thing could have ended far worse than getting arrested.

[seamusTX]

I see a couple of problems with having a "CHL locker room," the biggest being that it forces the CHL holders to identify themselves. The CHL holders could then be subject to greater scrutiny and possibly covert reprisals. (Anyone can be fired for violating a policy or making a mistake at some point.)

It would be better to have lockers for all employees. Theft from purses is a problem in most workplaces, and psych ward patients are more unpredictable than the typical patient.

I can also see the hospitals complaining about the cost of providing lockers for sometimes thousands of employees and then providing security for the locker room, which would be a target for theft. But that's not my problem.

- Jim

[Matt78665]

I am a nurse. I work in a clinic full time and hospital part time. My clinic has improper signage, but my company handbook prohibits employees from carrying fire arms on premise. I hope the legislature will fix that soon enough. The hospital has the correct signage. Just as a test, I ask two LEO's who are my patients what the thier assessment of the case presented here would be. They both said without hesitation that the signs were not legally correct to prevent concealed carry. They also thought that once verbally notified the gun owner should remove the gun from the premises. I also volunteer at a Nursing Home on the weekends. Incorrect signage here too. So I carry. We seem to know more about this subject than most. I credit this forum for informing me. Thanks.

[speedsix]

...I hope you don't get the verbal notification and the laws change, soon...hope they're written to override the employee handbooks...time will tell...

[jmra]

Leaving a purse (with a gun in it) unattended is pure stupidity. Of course, IMHO, leaving a purse (with anything of value in it) unattended is pure stupidity.

Thankfully my wife is of the same opinion and refuses to purse carry. After all, if the nurse was mugged on her way to work what is the mugger most likely to grab? Do a little role playing with your wife - grab her purse and see if she is able to hold on to it and get something out of it at the same time. If she is successful, I bet she could kick your butt without the gun.

[bkj]

GC CH. 411. DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE STATE
OF TEXAS
Subch. H. LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN

GC §411.203. RIGHTS OF EMPLOYERS. This subchapter does not
prevent or otherwise limit the right of a public or private employer to
prohibit persons who are licensed under this subchapter from carrying
a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.

Please review question 26 on the CHL Students final Exam