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Considering AZ CCW

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Is there a downside to the AZ CCW over the TX CHL?
It's a lot cheaper, less onerous, and processed more quickly.
I haven't had a CC permit in the past for any state. I'm an avid shooter and have done alot of research on the texas laws.
It's honored by Texas and has reciprocity with more states.
I know of a few Texans that have done this.

Whats everyone think?

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What state are you a resident? That would answer my question. Other than a 40 day delay I am legal in my state. Waiting 40 days for something I did 30 years without was no big deal. And the cost was not very much, couple meals out and a few cases of beer less and I have something of much greater value.

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I am a Texas Resident. Is the Texas CHL worth anymore than the AZ CCW? For exemption on the NICS yes but on every other part AZ CCW wins. Maybe I'm just annoyed by the whole permission slip attitude and the AZ CCW looks easier. Not that I make much contact with LE, would I catch grief from them having the AZ permit vs the Texas CHL even though it's perfectly legal?

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I prefer to get my license from an agency that spends a little more time, and is a bit more thorough in checking applicants. I don't like the intrusion into my personal life any more than anyone else. I certainly don't like to wait any longer than I must to receive it. I think that it's worth it in the end. If we start shortcutting the process, we reduce the value and the credibility of the license. :txflag:
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smtimelevi wrote:I am a Texas Resident. Is the Texas CHL worth anymore than the AZ CCW? For exemption on the NICS yes but on every other part AZ CCW wins. Maybe I'm just annoyed by the whole permission slip attitude and the AZ CCW looks easier. Not that I make much contact with LE, would I catch grief from them having the AZ permit vs the Texas CHL even though it's perfectly legal?
Just off the top of my head, one thing is that a resident Texas CHL will allow you to have your gun with you in gun free school zones, not in the building but parking lot is fine. A non-resident license won't. I'd imagine there are also other differences besides the NICS

Check out the recent thread concerning "The Utah Trouble" to see what a lot of people think. The big concern I would have is the very real possibility that Texas may stop honoring non-resident licenses held by Texas residents. Several other states have already done that with their residents. That is one reason that when I moved back here from Indiana, even though my Hoosier license is valid and will remain so for life, I went on and went to the trouble to get my, (IMO too expensive), Texas CHL.
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I don't believe that the Arizona License will give more states than Texas. I understand that the Arizona License can give a couple additional states, when one has the the Texas CHL, but that isn't quite the same thing.
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wharvey wrote:
smtimelevi wrote:I am a Texas Resident. Is the Texas CHL worth anymore than the AZ CCW? For exemption on the NICS yes but on every other part AZ CCW wins. Maybe I'm just annoyed by the whole permission slip attitude and the AZ CCW looks easier. Not that I make much contact with LE, would I catch grief from them having the AZ permit vs the Texas CHL even though it's perfectly legal?
Just off the top of my head, one thing is that a resident Texas CHL will allow you to have your gun with you in gun free school zones, not in the building but parking lot is fine. A non-resident license won't. I'd imagine there are also other differences besides the NICS

Check out the recent thread concerning "The Utah Trouble" to see what a lot of people think. The big concern I would have is the very real possibility that Texas may stop honoring non-resident licenses held by Texas residents. Several other states have already done that with their residents. That is one reason that when I moved back here from Indiana, even though my Hoosier license is valid and will remain so for life, I went on and went to the trouble to get my, (IMO too expensive), Texas CHL.
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I have read the Utah CCW thread. It really bothers me folks are getting scared of what some congress critter might do if I exercise my rights. I mean 4 states have constitutional cary. That subject attitude wont get those people straightened out the way they need. Maybe DPS ought to take a hint. Folks are going with out of state licenses because Texas CHL is too Expensive and a PTA compared to others. Ive got no problem paying a little more but the extra $ just goes to the state and they blow it on whatever they want. That I have a problem with.

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wharvey wrote:
smtimelevi wrote:I am a Texas Resident. Is the Texas CHL worth anymore than the AZ CCW? For exemption on the NICS yes but on every other part AZ CCW wins. Maybe I'm just annoyed by the whole permission slip attitude and the AZ CCW looks easier. Not that I make much contact with LE, would I catch grief from them having the AZ permit vs the Texas CHL even though it's perfectly legal?
Just off the top of my head, one thing is that a resident Texas CHL will allow you to have your gun with you in gun free school zones, not in the building but parking lot is fine. A non-resident license won't. I'd imagine there are also other differences besides the NICS

Check out the recent thread concerning "The Utah Trouble" to see what a lot of people think. The big concern I would have is the very real possibility that Texas may stop honoring non-resident licenses held by Texas residents. Several other states have already done that with their residents. That is one reason that when I moved back here from Indiana, even though my Hoosier license is valid and will remain so for life, I went on and went to the trouble to get my, (IMO too expensive), Texas CHL.
:iagree: I prefer to not violate ANY laws when dropping off/picking up my niece from school; waiting in the parking lot for her band practice to end etc. And, if ever needed for "use" in the (so-called gun free) school zone, perhaps only being charged with the display (Texas law for enhancement of charges/penalty) in a gfsz to which "necessity" might be a defense, instead of earning additional FEDERAL charges which exempt those with a license issued by the State in which the school is located.

If "something" happened while I was waiting in the parking lot, I'd hate to mentally hesitate due to thinking about additional Federal costs in time, money of defending ...
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smtimelevi wrote:Is there a downside to the AZ CCW over the TX CHL?
There are two. GFSZA and NICS.

The GFSZA only gives a pass if you have a CHL issued by the state the school is in. With an AZ license you're covered in AZ. With a TX license you're covered in TX. Without a TX license, you're in the same boat as the millions of Texans carrying in their car thanks to MPA. You're also in the same boat as a Texan with a CHL carrying in another state on vacation, unless they also have a CHL from that other state.

Having a Texas CHL may let you skip the NICS phone call. Federal law says it's OK and many FFL do that. However, some stores call it in anyway. There are several first hand reports of that. So you might get to save 5 minutes by skipping the call but it's not guaranteed.

Only you can decide if these benefits are worth the extra time and money for you.

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Assuming you are and will be a law-abiding citizen, higher numbers in the DPS database are a good thing politically when future legislation comes up too

"Texas has x00,000 CHLs, statistically low crime rates among them ..."
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In the future, AZ may not let you renew it, like Utah has done.

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If you have your Texas CHL and a Texas resident can you still reissue your Utah license? Ive heard different answers to this.

I have both. The reason is if im ever invollved in a shooting in Texas I would probably temp lose my CHL until it went through the courts. The Utah keeps me legal to still carry in Texas while thats going on.
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Some states--Florida--will only honor a license from your state of residence.
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I am considering an AZ licensein addition to my Texas CHL just so I can carry in Nevada when I visit.

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RPB wrote:Assuming you are and will be a law-abiding citizen, higher numbers in the DPS database are a good thing politically when future legislation comes up too

"Texas has x00,000 CHLs, statistically low crime rates among them ..."
This is a very good point. I hadnt even thought of it that way. The more of us the better.

I dont have kids so I wont be going to and from any schools but I'm sure I pass through 5 or 6 school zones a day.

Heck maybe I'll get both. It's nice to live in a state where I can do that.
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