longbow wrote:Gambit wrote:CC Italian wrote:I think I am with gigag04 on this.
Disagree.
Burg of a hab, while not violent, definitely affects people. Youve been there when you take that report and the wife is too scared to even stay at the ransacked house.
It's defiantly not a victim-less crime in the mental sense! It's one thing if a non violent felon is allowed to own a gun in his home after a certain amount of time. All people should be able to protect themselves in their "castle" (except violent criminals, they have lost their right to own a firearm) but to allow a convicted felon to get a CHL is a little much for me reformed or not.
Carrying around a firearm on your person is a huge responsibility! Let me put it this way; I know it isn't exactly the same thing but would you want a non violent reformed felon to be allowed to become a law enforcement officer and carry a weapon? Heck, you can lose your state teaching license for getting a first offense DWI for ten years!
My point is I think a CHL should be held to the same standard as a LEO when it comes to criminal record. I might get blasted for this by others but it is my opinion but then again you know what they say about opinions. Owning a firearm in your home to me is very different then being allowed to carry a loaded weapon almost everywhere you want, you must have a good track record!
You have a right to your opinions and I respect that. Laws however are absolute and we as humans should not deal in absolutes. There exceptions to every rule and rules for every exception.
What makes you as an individual have more rights than I; to protect your family?
I made a mistake in college egged on by friends, in my youthful stupidity, I made a seriously bad judgment call. I believe the Judge saw the same and granted me deferred adjudication and saw fit to not only grant me with early dismissal from probation; but also granted me an order of nondisclosure.
I believe I have paid my debt to society. I pay more than my fair share of taxes and contribute to society in a productive way. I have not had so much as a speeding ticket since then. The friend’s father house that I broke into forgave me. But the wheels of justice were in motion.
For you to say that your spotless record entitles you to more protection from real hardend criminals than I is a hard pill to swallow. This mentality is along the lines of anti-gun/ anti-CHL congressmen that have CHL’s and carry guns.
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After all Laws are absolute, written by men that are felons themselves, Joe Driver (Now a FELON), in this case co-wrote the 30.02 addition I don’t have the Bill number now Irony at its finest.
What gives people like "him" more rights than you is the mere fact that having been where you were, "he" chose not to make the decisions you made. Your logic is similar to that of the 99%, why should some be rich while others are not? Because some people made better choices.
We have ALL faced pier pressure, and as wonderful as it is that you have been able to lead a fulfilling and upright life, it does not change the fact that there are consequences for succumbing to that pier pressure.
The law is absolute, it must be to protect society and deter wrong doing. From your own post, we can see that the law was very lenient and understanding with your case, it made what appears to be a sincere effort to lessen your penalty. You cannot infringe on another human beings basic rights and expect society not to punish you in the same manner.
I am writing this a person who has been a victim of both a home burglary and two vehicle thefts. No perpetrators were ever caught and none of my family's irreplaceable treasures were recovered. If I could punish the thieves I assure you they would receive far worse than a spot on their records. It is unacceptable to see your family scared to live in their own home and I hope that none of you ever have to experience that type of event.
Im sorry you and your family had to go through that, I truely am. I am not defending true crooks criminals or the like Im merely making a statement that
some individuals do not deserve to reap the "absolute" hardline repercussions of law written, by ordinary people, that project a holier than thou airs sitting on thier high horse to judge others; all the while being human themselves (like politicians).
Thank you for your subjective and bias opinion. It proves my point in the post after that. You are human and that is why I carry this dead dog.
I hope you or your family never goes through what you went through again but if it does I hope you are there to protect them from it. And I hope you can see what Im trying to say.
This logic is far from the 99%. Economical "equality" Is a far cry from this. I believe that you work for what you have. Hence the stigma of a "burglury of habitation" charge weighs on me so heavily. I am not a thief.
The inalienable right to protect my loved ones should be above your views of morality. My family comes before your opinion. There is no absolute phylosophical (sp?) line in the sand that says im a bad guy and should be lumped in with the rapist, murderers and violent robbers out there nor should I not be able to defend myself or family from them. There are true animals and predators out there that you should be more afraid of trust me on that.
Some day we may meet in person and I assure you that you may even like me and would not even know about my skeleton in the closet. Someday I may be able to help protect you and your family from those true monsters; Hopefully with something more than a can of pepper spray.
ETA: What information in my posts did you gather that you would lump me in with hippie communists?
