concealed carry in my church

[coony350]

can i carry in a church that does not have 30.06 sign posted? this church is also a charter school which uses the building during the week as classrooms.

[C-dub]

It's unfortunate, but I think if the school and your church are within the same walls or attached by more than just a covered walkway you are out of luck.

Sorry.

[texanron]

[snatchel]

I agree that your out of luck unless the buildings are separated. I attend mass at a church that sponsors a Catholic School next door. About 3 feet of space separates the Cathedral from the School.. so I decided I'm good to go.

[Scott in Houston]

Yep. Agree.

I have this same scenario here in Houston. My daughter attends a private school run by our church. The bible study portion is in the "class rooms" from the school during the week.

I know that I could make a case potentially, but I don't want to be a test case!
The only place you would be surely clear is the sanctuary. Otherwise, I would just leave it home.

If you truly are concerned about safety at church, I'd ask the pastor fr permission. Otherwise, leave it in the car or at home.

[shootthesheet]

You can have it locked in your car on school property.

Personally, I might ignore the question of legality since a concealed handgun shouldn't be seen unless it was needed. If it is needed the law really won't matter to anyone much anyway and using it is legal. The risk is getting caught which should not be an issue and the money spent to defend yourself. I personally will not risk life for uncertain legal questions. Then again this is just something I might or might not do.

[TxFig]

Actually - private schools are allowed to give explicit permission for people to carry. They are not treated equal to public schools.

Therefore, the way to handle this is for the church to post a sign like the bank in Chapel Hill, TX.

[Keith B]

Actually - private schools are allowed to give explicit permission for people to carry. They are not treated equal to public schools.

To clarify, ANY school can give explicit permission to carry. The Harrold, TX ISD did it for their teachers a little over 2 years ago http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/1 ... 19282.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TxFig]

Actually - private schools are allowed to give explicit permission for people to carry. They are not treated equal to public schools.

To clarify, ANY school can give explicit permission to carry. The Harrold, TX ISD did it for their teachers a little over 2 years ago http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/1 ... 19282.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice.

[RPB]

Not intentionally hijacking, but a thought popped into my head reading the last couple posts... which is related to granting permission

Nevada's campus carry hangup was that not enough college Staff/faculty/students had ASKED permission, so it wasn't clear that a law needed to be passed.

They went by "Ye received not (permission to carry) because ye asked not."

And stated that a vehicle was already in place for licensees to carry .... all you had to do was ask.
So, IIRC everything was tabled to study if the law was in fact, unnecessary or something. (in other words, the antis won that round)
We may see this in Texas in 2013 regarding campus carry, if no one documents asking/being denied.

I think NV had to compile stats on # requests and # granted and # denied or something.
I guess anyone can do that, I have no intention of setting foot on a campus in a building, but anyone can request permission ... to get stats.

Remind me later in the year, to e-mail/write to every Texas campus requesting permission.
Perhaps a form letter request and mass mailing; easy on E-mail and I did buy postage stamps before the price increase,

Could be fun if a few hundred of us request permission from every campus in Texas, not only would we get Stats, but we might get noticed, and be able to wheel in our boxes of evidence at the House/Senate hearings to counter their fake straw poll summary papers..

[RottenApple]

My synagogue has no problems with concealed carry and, when it is only members at a function (Shabbat service, Sukkoth, or any other get together), our Rabbi has given us all permission to open carry. Personally I open carry at almost every Shabbat unless we have guests (wouldn't want to frighten visitors after all). But then, I'm also the sound engineer and in a little booth hidden from view most of the time.

Not intentionally hijacking, but a thought popped into my head reading the last couple posts... which is related to granting permission

Nevada's campus carry hangup was that not enough college Staff/faculty/students had ASKED permission, so it wasn't clear that a law needed to be passed.

They went by "Ye received not (permission to carry) because ye asked not."

And stated that a vehicle was already in place for licensees to carry .... all you had to do was ask.
So, IIRC everything was tabled to study if the law was in fact, unnecessary or something. (in other words, the antis won that round)
We may see this in Texas in 2013 regarding campus carry, if no one documents asking/being denied.

I think NV had to compile stats on # requests and # granted and # denied or something.
I guess anyone can do that, I have no intention of setting foot on a campus in a building, but anyone can request permission ... to get stats.

Remind me later in the year, to e-mail/write to every Texas campus requesting permission.
Perhaps a form letter request and mass mailing; easy on E-mail and I did buy postage stamps before the price increase,

Could be fun if a few hundred of us request permission from every campus in Texas, not only would we get Stats, but we might get noticed, and be able to wheel in our boxes of evidence at the House/Senate hearings to counter their fake straw poll summary papers..

Not disagreeing with anything you have said, but I see two problems with this viewpoint (of the NV government): 1) Why should a person have to ASK permission to excursive a fundamental right and 2) most CHLers probably wouldn't ask because "concealed is concealed". I know that I certainly wouldn't want a school I attend (if I attended a school) to have my info and to know that I carry.

[BrianSW99]

My synagogue has no problems with concealed carry and, when it is only members at a function (Shabbat service, Sukkoth, or any other get together), our Rabbi has given us all permission to open carry. Personally I open carry at almost every Shabbat unless we have guests (wouldn't want to frighten visitors after all). But then, I'm also the sound engineer and in a little booth hidden from view most of the time.

I don't think this is legal, even with your Rabbi's permission. At a minimum, this would be intentional failure to conceal if you have a CHL. I believe it would also be PC46.02 Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon because the only exceptions are for property you own or property that is directly under your control. There is no provision for open carry by permission.

Brian

[RottenApple]

My synagogue has no problems with concealed carry and, when it is only members at a function (Shabbat service, Sukkoth, or any other get together), our Rabbi has given us all permission to open carry. Personally I open carry at almost every Shabbat unless we have guests (wouldn't want to frighten visitors after all). But then, I'm also the sound engineer and in a little booth hidden from view most of the time.

I don't think this is legal, even with your Rabbi's permission. At a minimum, this would be intentional failure to conceal if you have a CHL. I believe it would also be PC46.02 Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon because the only exceptions are for property you own or property that is directly under your control. There is no provision for open carry by permission.

Brian

Interesting. However, as an elder in the synagogue and one of the leadership team, it is "property that is directly under [my] control". There is no difference between myself open carrying at synagogue and a gun store/range employee open carrying in their place of business.

[BrianSW99]

My synagogue has no problems with concealed carry and, when it is only members at a function (Shabbat service, Sukkoth, or any other get together), our Rabbi has given us all permission to open carry. Personally I open carry at almost every Shabbat unless we have guests (wouldn't want to frighten visitors after all). But then, I'm also the sound engineer and in a little booth hidden from view most of the time.

I don't think this is legal, even with your Rabbi's permission. At a minimum, this would be intentional failure to conceal if you have a CHL. I believe it would also be PC46.02 Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon because the only exceptions are for property you own or property that is directly under your control. There is no provision for open carry by permission.

Brian

Interesting. However, as an elder in the synagogue and one of the leadership team, it is "property that is directly under [my] control". There is no difference between myself open carrying at synagogue and a gun store/range employee open carrying in their place of business.

I can't advise whether it's legal or not, but I would just caution you to be careful. I don't think the definition of property directly under your control is well defined. There are many, more knowledgeable than myself, that feel gun store employees open carrying is a gray area at best unless you're the owner/manager.

My own personal opinion is that if there is any higher authority that could tell you not to carry, like your Rabbi, then the property is not truly directly under your control.

Brian

[C-dub]

My synagogue has no problems with concealed carry and, when it is only members at a function (Shabbat service, Sukkoth, or any other get together), our Rabbi has given us all permission to open carry. Personally I open carry at almost every Shabbat unless we have guests (wouldn't want to frighten visitors after all). But then, I'm also the sound engineer and in a little booth hidden from view most of the time.

I don't think this is legal, even with your Rabbi's permission. At a minimum, this would be intentional failure to conceal if you have a CHL. I believe it would also be PC46.02 Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon because the only exceptions are for property you own or property that is directly under your control. There is no provision for open carry by permission.

Brian

Interesting. However, as an elder in the synagogue and one of the leadership team, it is "property that is directly under [my] control". There is no difference between myself open carrying at synagogue and a gun store/range employee open carrying in their place of business.

I'll add that I don't think there hasn't been any case to define whether or not it is legal for an employer to grant permission for the employees to OC in the business. The difference between these two places is at the gun store/range it is expected to see a gun and a church/synagogue is not a place one would expect to "see" a gun. It may just be that no one has challenged anyone on this at a store/range. All it would take is for someone to make a complaint to the police about either situation and someone might look into whether or not it's actually legal.