Cannot carry extra magazines??

[Beiruty]

Where is the thread, how many rds do you carry?

17rds spare and 13+1 =31 rd of mushrooming lead.
Or 15rds spare and 15+1 rd of same ugly mushrooming lead.
At night, long distance trips: 2x15 plus 15+1 = 46 rds of otherswise nasty looking blips.

[speedsix]

He said that it doesn't matter because in Texas you are not allowed to carry extra magazines in concealed carry, only what is in the gun.

where does stuff like this come from?

...some folks, having nothing worthwhile to share with us...share it anyways...they think it sounds great and we won't bother to check it out...

[C-dub]

Where is the thread, how many rds do you carry?

17rds spare and 13+1 =31 rd of mushrooming lead.
Or 15rds spare and 15+1 rd of same ugly mushrooming lead.
At night, long distance trips: 2x15 plus 15+1 = 46 rds of otherswise nasty looking blips.

There's this one viewtopic.php?f=7&t=46701&hilit=spare+ammo+carry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and there's this poll viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36755&hilit=spare+ammo+carry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think that second one is the one you were thinking about. I thought I would have to amend my answer, but no. Still carry 40 rounds since switching from .40 to .45.

[Kythas]

You can carry as many guns and mags as you can carry, provided they stay concealed.

The mags don't have to be concealed, do they? (It's definitely recommended. . . )

I agree that there is no limit on firearms, rounds, or spare mags.

Thanks for the correction, guys. I thought mags had to be concealed, too. Just goes to show you should never stop learning.

[wgoforth]

Thanks for the quick replies guys! This sounded a bit fishy, and I'm a firm believer in knowing FACTS before jumping to a false conclusion.
I sincerely hope that his instructor is not actually teaching this, as this completely goes against what I have been taught about 'Two is one, and one is none', and the advantages of carrying extra mag(s). I really should find out if this instructor is teaching this as a matter of practice or if this was just a misunderstanding. Thinking this may be the former since he mentioned the instructor explained this as "...(someone) having extra magazines could be interpreted as possibly using or desiring to use excessive force if involved in a shooting....". This sounds like a case of teaching improper information with potentially lethal consequences for those who may have otherwise desired to carry an extra mag or two who are now afraid to because of what was said or implied in this CHL course.

Keep in mind you are getting it second hand, and anyone could have dropped the ball along the way. 3/4 of gun failure is mag failure. As Clint Smith says about magazines, "One is none and two is one." I carry two spare mags all the time. As to not having to be concealed...true, your not required to. Having mags exposed could lead to unwanted questions, but not against any laws UNLESS it could be said that it was "calculated to create alarm" which could become an issue. Everything legal isn't always prudent.

[Kadelic]

Everything legal isn't always prudent.

Reminds me of the saying that "sure, pedestrians technically have the right of way at an intersection, but how many would win their argument against two tons of steel?"

[74novaman]

Everything legal isn't always prudent.

It was worth another quote.

Good advice for life in general.

[bayouhazard]

He said that it doesn't matter because in Texas you are not allowed to carry extra magazines in concealed carry, only what is in the gun.

where does stuff like this come from?

...some folks, having nothing worthwhile to share with us...share it anyways...they think it sounds great and we won't bother to check it out...

It's stories like this that make me think the students of some Texas instructors would be better off saving a few dollars (and a few misunderstandings) by taking the VA online class and reading the CHL-16 pdf to learn TX law.

[wgoforth]

Everything legal isn't always prudent.

It was worth another quote.

Good advice for life in general.

Thanks, can't say it was original! Apostle Paul said "All things are lawful but not all things are expedient."

[rm9792]

I really wonder how these instructors get certified. Pathetic. IMO they need to teach the law as it is written and quit ad-libbing and spewing opinions. I complained my class was all paperwork and breaks but now I am thinking it was for the best. Everyone had to learn the rules on their own via research instead of walking out thinking they had heard the word of God from the instructor. Sorry, I have little patience for incompetence, especially from "teachers".

[Chris Brines]

Interesting, and I'm glad to see that this was a misunderstanding, because a law abiding citizen protecting him or herself could get hurt or killed if that law were a reality. Now, I took my CHL class today and want to be sure I heard something correctly....If I am not mistaken my instructor said that if you are being threatened physically by someone who is obviously physically larger and stronger than you, whether with or without a gun, and you draw your weapon because it escalates to the point you are in fear for your safety....Sorry, that's a bit of a run on sentence...

Anyway...

If you are in this position and the threatening person says, "go ahead shoot me", it is then legal to shoot them?

Believe me, it would take much more than that to make me pull the trigger, but I just want to be sure I heard him correctly.

On a side note, I took my first ever CHL class just a few hours ago...and well, I think the CHL class material is very informative and all extremely relevant, but if there is one thing I would change it would be this:

I would dedicate more time to ensuring that each student TRULY understands all that is involved with using deadly force...at the time the shots are fired, and months later... I would also spend more time and maybe include some more intensive lessons on defusing a situation verbally. This was covered, the "child, parent, adult" aspects of communication, but I think it is just as important as learning how to draw and shoot your weapon should it come to that point. I have read some stories in the news of CHL holders acting like Wild West Cowboys when it was probably unnecessary to fire shots, (from what I could tell by reading the articles, I was not in their shoes so I really can't say).

Believe me I have zero sympathy for lowlife criminals, and as far as I'm concerned, when they decide to rob, burglarize, or use violence, then whatever happens to them is their own fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Unfortunately, however, the way this disillusioned nation's attitude towards law abiding gun owners is going, anytime there is any sliver of a doubt of whether or not it was completely necessary to fire shots (meaning whether or not this persons life was threatened), it gets the anti gun (for lack of a better word) hypocrites in a stir, and the last thing we need is people setting bad examples for them to use as "ammo" to contest our rights. Just something I've observed in the last year or so. Then again, if we could the pendulum the complete other direction and we'd definitely have a more "polite society" in the long run...just sayin'

[wgoforth]

Interesting, and I'm glad to see that this was a misunderstanding, because a law abiding citizen protecting him or herself could get hurt or killed if that law were a reality. Now, I took my CHL class today and want to be sure I heard something correctly....If I am not mistaken my instructor said that if you are being threatened physically by someone who is obviously physically larger and stronger than you, whether with or without a gun, and you draw your weapon because it escalates to the point you are in fear for your safety....Sorry, that's a bit of a run on sentence...

Anyway...

If you are in this position and the threatening person says, "go ahead shoot me", it is then legal to shoot them?

Believe me, it would take much more than that to make me pull the trigger, but I just want to be sure I heard him correctly.

On a side note, I took my first ever CHL class just a few hours ago...and well, I think the CHL class material is very informative and all extremely relevant, but if there is one thing I would change it would be this:

I would dedicate more time to ensuring that each student TRULY understands all that is involved with using deadly force...at the time the shots are fired, and months later... I would also spend more time and maybe include some more intensive lessons on defusing a situation verbally. This was covered, the "child, parent, adult" aspects of communication, but I think it is just as important as learning how to draw and shoot your weapon should it come to that point. I have read some stories in the news of CHL holders acting like Wild West Cowboys when it was probably unnecessary to fire shots, (from what I could tell by reading the articles, I was not in their shoes so I really can't say).

Believe me I have zero sympathy for lowlife criminals, and as far as I'm concerned, when they decide to rob, burglarize, or use violence, then whatever happens to them is their own fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves. Unfortunately, however, the way this disillusioned nation's attitude towards law abiding gun owners is going, anytime there is any sliver of a doubt of whether or not it was completely necessary to fire shots (meaning whether or not this persons life was threatened), it gets the anti gun (for lack of a better word) hypocrites in a stir, and the last thing we need is people setting bad examples for them to use as "ammo" to contest our rights. Just something I've observed in the last year or so. Then again, if we could the pendulum the complete other direction and we'd definitely have a more "polite society" in the long run...just sayin'

Disparity of size and strength certainly does come to play. No one is/should ever tell you yes/no you can shoot, because one has to look at the totality of the situation, too many variable... but rather can you honestly say you were in fear for your life? Think of the "Reasonable Man Doctrine." Would a reasonable man have acted as you did, or feel you acted reasonable? A 6 ft man coming with fists (though no gun) against a woman that is 4 ft 5 and she could easily be in fear of her life. It is difficult to cover everything due to time constraints. The state requires the "4 food groups" and to add more would require another day, and it is hard to get through the required material as it is. My suggestion to you and those in my class is to take other gun/defense classes. ie, I soon will be offering a class called "Beyond CHL" that would go into more detail on those matters.

[Dave2]

Yep. No mag or gun limits in Texas.

I normally carry 1 spare mag.....but I've been known to carry 2 or even a spare mag and an extra gun.

Now, if you travel to New Mexico, you're only allowed to carry one gun (but still no mag restrictions).

So just because that's Texas law, be sure to research other states laws if you're going to travel.

Huh... I didn't know that... And if I ever drive out to visit the folks in CA again, I'll likely be carrying right up to the CA border so you may've just saved me a lot of trouble!

Back on topic (sorta), are there any states that do limit the number of spare magazines/clips/bullets you can carry?

[C-dub]

I would dedicate more time to ensuring that each student TRULY understands all that is involved with using deadly force...at the time the shots are fired, and months later... I would also spend more time and maybe include some more intensive lessons on defusing a situation verbally. This was covered, the "child, parent, adult" aspects of communication, but I think it is just as important as learning how to draw and shoot your weapon should it come to that point. I have read some stories in the news of CHL holders acting like Wild West Cowboys when it was probably unnecessary to fire shots, (from what I could tell by reading the articles, I was not in their shoes so I really can't say).

If you didn't completely understand this section did you ask about it in class? I also just did my class on Saturday, but it was my second renewal along with 5-6 other renewals and at least 20 first timers. My mouth ran a little amok the first hour or two I was there and I realized this and apologized to the instructor and did my best to keep it shut the last few hours. I had thought about this prior to entering the classroom, but was unsuccessful at first. Later, I tried to only ask the instructor to further explain something that no one else asked about yet I know from experience on this forum that first timers often are confused about. Many times in class folks are reluctant to ask about something they're not clear on because they don't want to appear dumber than everyone else. There is a lot of information to cover when the class is done correctly and sometimes the first timers get that deer in the headlights look and clam up.

[jmra]

...I have read some stories in the news of CHL holders acting like Wild West Cowboys when it was probably unnecessary to fire shots, (from what I could tell by reading the articles, I was not in their shoes so I really can't say)...

Can you provide links to these stories? I would be interested in reading them as I can't recall hearing about any of them.