9mm v. 45 v. Rifle A Doctor's View of Gunshot Wounds

[fickman]

Great video! Thanks for sharing.

[longtooth]

I said it on the range yesterday & say it in every class. Shoot til the threat STOPS. Handguns are not the notorious ManStoppers that Matt Dillon makes them out to be.

Do I want to get shot to prove it? NO.

Vast majority of shooting victims do survive.

Oppinion: Poor shot placement coupled w/ modern medical/surgical tech really help the odds for the wounded.

[MoJo]

Well worth the time to watch. The doctor was saying the same thing that many trainers have said only in different words. Shoot till the threat stops.

[mrvmax]

More proof of the facts:
1. You need to hit a vital area regardless of caliber.
2. There is no one caliber that is better than all the rest.
3. Use your handgun to fight your way to your long gun.
4. It doesn't quite work like in the movies.

[fickman]

More proof of the facts:
1. You need to hit a vital area regardless of caliber.
2. There is no one caliber that is better than all the rest.
3. Use your handgun to fight your way to your long gun.
4. It doesn't quite work like in the movies.

Yep. . . and if a victim can absorb a few shots and still run away, a BG can absorb a few shots and still return fire.

Seek cover, keep moving, continually shift between firing and reassessing the threat. . . maintain awareness.

[Beiruty]

Velocity = Kinetic Energy, each 10X in speed is 100X in KE. Rail gun, anyone?


DYI:

[surprise_i'm_armed]

What model of Uncle Mike's pocket holster does that fit in? :-)

SIA

[sjfcontrol]

Thanks. When I saw it, I was a little surprised. I have no medical training or experience, and have never been in, or at, a gun fight. I have always wondered if the bad guy just flops over on the ground instantly when hit with a bullet from whatever gun and caliber you happen to have.... end of threat, kind of like shooting the gun out of the bad guys hand from across the street, like on The Lone Ranger! It seemed impossible, and sure enough, mostly it is apparently.

The thing I like about reality is that it is so, ahh, real. It pays to know what reality is.

Travon did. Apparently had time to say "ya got me!", and died. Don't remember the caliber, but seem to recall something small. It all depends on the particular situation.

[AustinBoy]

Wow.
Great video.

Lessons learned:
1. Shot placement
2. Shot Placement
3. Shot Placement

AB

[Jumping Frog]

Wow.
Great video.

Lessons learned:
1. Shot placement
2. Shot Placement
3. Shot Placement

AB

I'd insert "Shot penetration" into that list.

[jmra]

Thanks. When I saw it, I was a little surprised. I have no medical training or experience, and have never been in, or at, a gun fight. I have always wondered if the bad guy just flops over on the ground instantly when hit with a bullet from whatever gun and caliber you happen to have.... end of threat, kind of like shooting the gun out of the bad guys hand from across the street, like on The Lone Ranger! It seemed impossible, and sure enough, mostly it is apparently.

The thing I like about reality is that it is so, ahh, real. It pays to know what reality is.

Travon did. Apparently had time to say "ya got me!", and died. Don't remember the caliber, but seem to recall something small. It all depends on the particular situation.

9mm - can't get much closer a shot than what he got.

[RHenriksen]

More proof of the facts:
...
2. There is no one caliber that is better than all the rest.

I don't think that's a fair characterization. I would say that based on the doctor's experiences,

almost any rifle > .45 > .40 > 9mm > .380 > .32 > .25 > .22

(But don't tell the mouse pistol brigade that... they'll just get cranky)

[The Annoyed Man]

Interesting Video. These things are good to know. If you ever need to use your gun, chances are you might also be one who gets shot....so Don't give up fighting! A side note, since some people get shot with their own gun, might be worth carrying a 9mm vs a .45 just sayin

I don't know if you meant that to be funny or not, but THAT was funny!

[RHenriksen]

You know, I just realized something else about that video. I'd decided years ago to make the caliber vs capacity trade off and go with a .40 instead of a .45. Given what the doctor was saying about how one or two handgun rounds being unlikely to be decisive, it make me feel better about opting for the compromise cartridge & having a higher round count.

There, I said it! Let the caliber wars resume :-p

More proof of the facts:
...
2. There is no one caliber that is better than all the rest.

I don't think that's a fair characterization. I would say that based on the doctor's experiences,

almost any rifle > .45 > .40 > 9mm > .380 > .32 > .25 > .22

(But don't tell the mouse pistol brigade that... they'll just get cranky)

[baldeagle]

The more I thought about this video, the more I realized that i had learned something very valuable. I've never been in a firefight, so I've never been shot. In my endless gaming scenarios, I never get shot, because getting shot meant dying. Now I realize that getting shot means you have a chance of dying, but you also have a very good chance of surviving (depending on where you get hit, of course!) So I think my fear of getting hit has been lessened, which should make me less apprehensive (and therefore more steady on the trigger) in a real firefight. Mind you, I still don't want to get in one, and I pray that I never do, but if it should happen, I think my fear will be less. Besides, if you get hit and you still know it, you're probably OK. If you get hit in the "right" place, you won't last long anyway.