Man killed after bumping Metro bus passenger

[Mike1951]

Let's not get too far off track here.

I've re-read several accounts and the only knife mentioned is the one the shooter pulled.

It appears the licensee pulled a knife after being verbally threatened. When the victim wasn't sufficiently impressed with the knife and repeated the threat, the licensee pulled his .357 and shot.

[Lucky45]

Mike1951 wrote:
I've re-read several accounts and the only knife mentioned is the one the shooter pulled.
It appears the licensee pulled a knife after being verbally threatened. When the victim wasn't sufficiently impressed with the knife and repeated the threat, the licensee pulled his .357 and shot.

That's a big 10-4. That is what was read in court appearance of the suspect.

[zigzag]

Let's not get too far off track here.

I've re-read several accounts and the only knife mentioned is the one the shooter pulled.

It appears the licensee pulled a knife after being verbally threatened. When the victim wasn't sufficiently impressed with the knife and repeated the threat, the licensee pulled his .357 and shot.

If ever it s the CHL holder who initiated the knife threat then it will look bad on us .

[Paladin]

It appears the licensee pulled a knife after being verbally threatened. When the victim wasn't sufficiently impressed with the knife and repeated the threat, the licensee pulled his .357 and shot.

Yep. Thinking about this a little, I would have to guess Mr. Francis(the guy who got shot) was not in a clear mental state. Repeatedly threatening to beat somebody who's got a knife on you is not a sign of clear thinking. I'd be very curious to hear what the toxicology report comes back with.

[Paladin]

I tend to have absolutely horrible luck out on the street (part of the reason why my readiness level is so high).

I once ended up in an encounter with a guy who was threatening to kick my rear because his buddy almost rammed my car(???). I guess he didn't like my 'what the heck are you doing?' look as I was expecting the crunch of a collision. I was stopped at the time, they had my car pinned in with their car and I had nowhere to go.

The aggressive guy (who looked like a gangbanger thug) was really itching for a fight. He didn't seem to be even slightly concerned with any consequences. My guess is he was on Meth. Meth users don't need an excuse to get violent and they can be overconfident to a fault.

I'm 6'4", I do know how to fight and I had 2 cans of OC with me, but I chose to pull out my cell phone instead. The threat of the cops caused the driver of the other vehicle to decide to calm the aggressive guy down and leave.

All and all it was a disturbing incident, but it ended peacefully.

There are badly disturbed drug addicts out there.

[zigzag]

Hard core meth users are worse bec their brain cells are fried . They are paranoid and have no hesitations as what the their brain cells tells them to do . They will freak up in a heartbeat and go berserk if ticked. Sad thing is AMerica is full of it. I hope the CHL holder was acting in accordance with the Law . If ever the guy was under the influence of drugs or something and threatens the shooter , at least he has a chance of gettting away with this incident.
I wonder what he was using , most probably a snubby.

[stevie_d_64]

Its intersting to see how the pendulum has swung in this incident...

First the report of the shooting on a bus of all places! How could this have happened!

Second the establishment of the "shooter" being a CHL'er took a short while to confirm...

Now we have information regarding the person who got shot apparently had been instigating a confrontation...To be confirmed...

The shooter tried to scare the shootee with a knife after the shootee started to get verbally abusive...TBD...

I guess I was right...This was a bad situation made worse, because two people couldn't back off from each other...

I also believe this should not effect the rest of us, because this is not the first time someone with a Texas CHL has murdered someone, if this is judged to be so in a court of law...Just my opinion...

[zigzag]

It is a known fact riding in a public Metro is full of scumbags or the chances are high to get into some kind of trouble. For most who have to take it each work day or otherwise, be very careful.

[Big_Hitter]

It is a known fact riding in a public Metro is full of scumbags

I ride the 40/Acres Homes in to work a few times a year. It isn't that bad.

I've seen lots worse on the rail myself.

[Lucky45]

Yep. Thinking about this a little, I would have to guess Mr. Francis(the guy who got shot) was not in a clear mental state. Repeatedly threatening to beat somebody who's got a knife on you is not a sign of clear thinking. I'd be very curious to hear what the toxicology report comes back with.

You know it is amazing that alot of people in here would immediately cast the victim into one category saying he had to be crazy to want beat the shooter after words were exchanged after the bump. He must be high, on drugs, crazy, etc. out of all the things in the world. But could never be one word that was said that MIGHT be followed by a beatdown.

So the victim is high and crazy but the shooter is totally SANE for first pulling a KNIFE, then pulling a GUN. Obviously he was trying to scare the victim. And I thought it was preached that you don't pull a deadly weapon to scare someone. You pull it if in IMMINENT danger and are going to use it.

PC §9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b),
a person is justified in using force against another when and to the
degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to
protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful
force.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;

The shooter step out of bounds because he first attempted to use deadly force when the law allows you to use only force. Then if the victim was threatening him verbally alone, then the laws says he is not justified to use any force.
Then the use of deadly force is not justified against any assault except sexual assault. Or to to protect yourself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force.

What ever happened to oldfashioned "TAKE IT LIKE A MAN FOR WHAT YOU SAID" WHOOPINGs? Some folks always quick with the draw nowadays.

[Geister]

Yep. Thinking about this a little, I would have to guess Mr. Francis(the guy who got shot) was not in a clear mental state. Repeatedly threatening to beat somebody who's got a knife on you is not a sign of clear thinking. I'd be very curious to hear what the toxicology report comes back with.

He was born stupid. The shooter should have kept the knife out and walked away, and if the dummie attacked, THEN use deadly force.

[Geister]

I ride the 40/Acres Homes in to work a few times a year. It isn't that bad.

I've seen lots worse on the rail myself.

Most of the people you ride with are scumbags. Maybe you're just used to it.

[Big_Hitter]

Most of the people you ride with are scumbags. Maybe you're just used to it.

most of them seem like good, hard working people to me, but when I take the bus, it's usually at 0630

[stevie_d_64]

It was what I actually observed while working a job downtown, that when my wife and I rode the Metro bus system, that the time of day played a factor as well...

I didn't observe too many scumbags riding with us at those particular times of day going to work or riding back to our park and ride...

IIRC this incident happened kinda in the middle of the day, on the backside of the lunch hour...

So I am actually not sure about the type of people riding the bus at that time of day to give a credible opinion on that particular situation...

Like I said before, this looked like something that two people (for some reason) just couldn't walk away from, and it cost someone their life...And as for the shooter...His life is screwed forever as well...Whether he acted appropriately or not...

Something that years ago my Dad and I talked about...

You can have the biggest, baddest, most intimidating person you can think of get in your face and absolutely "verbally" rake you over the coals for any reason...You should not do a thing but smile and walk away...

Because you know you have the means to end it very decisively...Thats your little secret...Relish in that fact, and walk away...Don't say a word, and walk away...

Thats why I love the part of the CHL class when I renew, and watch how the new folks work to grasp this little part of the class...It is actually a lot of fun to see the right transformation take place when most "get it"...

I believe this (walking away) happens more often that not, and (incidents like this) something the gun-control crowd loves to exploit every chance it gets...

Statistically, the Texas CHL community does an outstanding job, and when things like this happen...Well, things do get taken care of don't they...

[longtooth]

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