Harrold ISD - They have it right

[RPB]

Gov. Rick Perry speaks out against gun control hysteria, approves carrying in schools
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[Charles L. Cotton]

Here's a link to another article about Gov. Perry calling for CHLs to be able to carry everywhere in the State. http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article ... 126337.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chas.

[n5wd]

... The idea might not work so well in large districts with SRO's or security in the building. They're already present, and presence is a deterrence.

Consider this: in the school where I work - from east to west, it's 1/4 mile from the farthest classroom to the other end of the building. And bless his heart, I don't think our SRO is going to be doing a 4 minute mile!

With incidents such as happened last Friday taking 5 minutes or less, it might be all over before an SRO gets there in a larger school building.

[Cobaltblue]

Here is how they do it in Israel.

I would pull my kid out of school and home school him if I lived in an area where the teacher open carrying a rifle was a necessary thing. I don't want my child to even know about this stuff so he can focus on school and not being shot. I think teachers having the ability to concealed carry is a good idea but, I feel that there should be mandatory tactical training several times per year so they know what to do and how to do it.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Here is how they do it in Israel.

I would pull my kid out of school and home school him if I lived in an area where the teacher open carrying a rifle was a necessary thing.

Without getting into a rifle v. concealed handgun discussion, Newtown has taught us that every school is at risk.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

The idea might not work so well in large districts with SRO's or security in the building. They're already present, and presence is a deterrence.

I'm not sure about the deterrence factor with suicidal mass murderers. These people come to kill and to die themselves and depending upon how dedicated they are, they may be satisfied with killing as many innocent people as possible before the SRO arrives on the scene. Of course, there's always the possibility that the assailant will kill or incapacitate the SRO and continue his killing spree.

Armed teachers and staff should be a last line of defense, not first responders. If I were running a school, my instructions would be to secure classroom and do not leave your kids. If an assailant gains entry into your classroom, shoot him until he catches on fire! If an attack occurs during class change, then herd the kids into the closest classroom and follow the first instruction.

Obviously, if a school has both an SRO and armed teachers and staff, then the SRO needs to get to know every single one of them so he can quickly identify "friendlies" if an attack is launched against his school.

Chas.

[Diesel42]

Someone may have said this, but I want to add my two cents.

I was in elementary school in Dallas from 1962 through 1969 (1 - 7 back then). We didn't live in fear and we didn't transfer responsibility to others. We had regular fire drills and "duck & cover" drills. Part of the drill was an explanation of how it was OUR responsibilit to know what to do in the event of an emegency. At the age of 6, in my first grade class, my teacher drilled me in the idea that I was responsibe to get outside with my class quickly and orderly.

At least once every six week period, our teacher would drill us on how to avoid "scary people," how to find a telephone, how to call the police, and most important... not to be afraid, do something to be safe.

I realize we only see the media hysteria, it sickens me. I want to thank the teachers, church leaders, and LEOs on this board for living the example of teaching everyone to live beholden to no one and make yourself safe. As responsible citizens, we can not delegate our safety to government.

God bless Texas!
Nick

[SA-TX]

Here's a link to another article about Gov. Perry calling for CHLs to be able to carry everywhere in the State. http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article ... 126337.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chas.

I recall him using similar language before. Charles, how many in the Legislature will agree with him? Perhaps the senator who has your bill will find this an opportune time to file it.

SA-TX

[Purplehood]

Here is how they do it in Israel.

I would pull my kid out of school and home school him if I lived in an area where the teacher open carrying a rifle was a necessary thing. I don't want my child to even know about this stuff so he can focus on school and not being shot. I think teachers having the ability to concealed carry is a good idea but, I feel that there should be mandatory tactical training several times per year so they know what to do and how to do it.

I laud you on your desire to be protective of your children, but it is common knowledge that those same children learn to quickly adapt to any situation.

Take a look at that picture of the Israeli school-children. Do they really look even remotely concerned that the Teacher is openly packing heat?

They look relatively comfortable with it to me.

Diesel42... your post reminded me of my time in elementary school (the same period). I can specifically recall bringing my .22 LR to school for Show and Tell. Kind of off-topic, but shows how our culture has changed.

[jmra]

I gave my 5th grader instructions after the shooting Friday. I won't discuss the details but I will tell you it does not envolve him sitting like a fish in a barrel waiting for some nut to end his life.

In just 17 months both of my kids will be at my campus. Hopefully by that time we will have a better means of protecting our children.

[PATHFINDER]

I gave my 5th grader instructions after the shooting Friday. I won't discuss the details but I will tell you it does not envolve him sitting like a fish in a barrel waiting for some nut to end his life.

In just 17 months both of my kids will be at my campus. Hopefully by that time we will have a better means of protecting our children.

I was proud of my 10 year old granddaughter living in OK when she said to mother that if she heard shooting in her school she was going to pick up her desk and break a window (her school actually does have windows), climb out, and run for the hills. She was not going to just sit there and wait for a shooter to get around to killing her. I hadn't even thought about that option. Maybe we need to include our children in this discussion.
I suspect they wouldn't be as frightened by the presence of an AR-15 PROTECTING THEM as those responsibile for protecting them might imagine.

Her 15 year old brother said he wanted to be home schooled next year because the public schools just are not safe. One local punk stole a handgun in a home burgary, and shot some cattle just for the fun of it. He is being dealt with currently - but he is still in the community.

We adults have been hashing this problem out - as though the kids didn't have some opinions as well. They are the ones who have their lives on the line .
Maybe the school boards need to hear from the students who are demanding REAL PROTECTION - not just passive "action plan" rhetoric.

[Jasonw560]

The ironic thing about Harrold ISD and the state of Utah's ability to concealed carry in schools is the not-often read provision of the Federal GFSZ statute that specifically states that if a state issues CHLs, the districts in that state have the right to approve it.

The same people who are decrying and lamenting this thought are the ones who approved it.

[MeMelYup]

The ironic thing about Harrold ISD and the state of Utah's ability to concealed carry in schools is the not-often read provision of the Federal GFSZ statute that specifically states that if a state issues CHLs, the districts in that state have the right to approve it.

The same people who are decrying and lamenting this thought are the ones who approved it.

What is the link for that info pls?

[wgoforth]

Question: A teacher is asking their school district authorization to carry. Superintendent said state didn't allow it. When told the Harrold School District did, they were told that Harrold received special state authorization from the state due to their being so remote, and that the Attorney General (supposedly) told them a school can't allow it without state approval. I have never heard that claim, but wanting to see if any others have. Thinking they are blowing hot air myself.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Question: A teacher is asking their school district authorization to carry. Superintendent said state didn't allow it. When told the Harrold School District did, they were told that Harrold received special state authorization from the state due to their being so remote, and that the Attorney General (supposedly) told them a school can't allow it without state approval. I have never heard that claim, but wanting to see if any others have. Thinking they are blowing hot air myself.

The district representative is either lying or willfully ignorant. Schools have always had the authority to allow anyone to carry firearms on the school "premises." Further, no one in the state has the power to authorize anyone to violate the Texas Penal Code. Since this person made up a story about Harrold getting special permission, I'm leaning toward a blatant lie. If so, the representative should be fired.

Chas.

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;