Taco Cabana; NO WEAPONS ON OUR PROPERTY

[Lucky45]

Overruled.

Your math does show a loss, admittedly not a big loss, but a loss nonetheless, and that $100 might just be the difference between black ink and red ink on the balance sheet, and that's only if they indeed serve 1200 $5.00 meals each day per your example.

Every little bit counts.

You are so funny Jim. What number of meals do you want to use as a guestimate. Half of 1200 sounds good? Lets say that ONLY 4 people per hour enter the store. That makes 48 in 12 hours. Remember, CHL is less than 2% of population. So basically, maybe 1 of those 48 was a CHL. So TC would have make $5 X 48 = $240 and lost $5 from 1 guy.
Does that make sense?

[jimlongley]

Overruled.

Your math does show a loss, admittedly not a big loss, but a loss nonetheless, and that $100 might just be the difference between black ink and red ink on the balance sheet, and that's only if they indeed serve 1200 $5.00 meals each day per your example.

Every little bit counts.

You are so funny Jim. What number of meals do you want to use as a guestimate. Half of 1200 sounds good? Lets say that ONLY 4 people per hour enter the store. That makes 48 in 12 hours. Remember, CHL is less than 2% of population. So basically, maybe 1 of those 48 was a CHL. So TC would have make $5 X 48 = $240 and lost $5 from 1 guy.
Does that make sense?

Nope, any hit on income is a hit on income, no matter how small.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Since I first saw the posts attacking txinvestigator, I’ve been trying to think of a statesmanlike manner in which to respond. I must admit that I’m having a difficult time doing so, probably because I’m growing weary of posting subtle reminders. This is as close to being a statesman as I can get at the moment.

As everyone knows, I send a welcoming PM to every new member. Some folks have thought that it was machine generated, but it’s not. I review every new member profile to get to know them a bit, if they have provided any information. I also check their website, if one is listed. Most people don’t respond to those PM’s, nor do I expect a response. A number of people do respond and a common theme in the responses is the appreciation for a rare civility among the members and the friendly atmosphere it creates. I sometimes wonder how long I will continue to see those types of comments.

txinvestigator wrote an excellent letter to the General Counsel for Taco Cabana and it lead to personal attacks against him. txinvestigator is a valuable resource for this community who gives a great deal of his time researching Texas law to answer questions. Often he and I agree on issues, sometimes we do not. But agree or disagree, I know he truly wants to provide accurate and dependable information to people to help them avoid any problems. As CHL/LEO said, every time a CHL interacts with law enforcement, they are representing all CHL’s. I appreciate txinvestigator’s goal of helping that interaction be a positive one.

If anyone thinks I’m just defending a friend, then do a search on the terms “Cotton AND txinvestigator� and you will see he and I have locked horns on a few issues. I’m not defending a friend, I’m defending a principal and a unique Internet community. (We likely have a large viewing audience, based upon the number of “hits� this site gets each month, and many people are undoubtedly forming opinions about the Texas CHL community based upon what they read.)

The Moderators have discussed this and are in agreement. This is the last time this warning will be given. Talk about the message, not the messenger! Any post that contains a personal attack will be deleted and it doesn’t matter of the post is 2 pages of excellent material with only one line that constitutes a personal attack. If we see repeat offenders, their accounts will either be deactivated for a period of time, or deleted entirely, depending upon the nature of their post.

People who have been with us for any time at all know that I hate having to make this type of post. To the vast majority of members who scrupulously adhere to both the letter and the spirit of the forum rules, I offer my profound thanks and appreciation. It is you who have made TexasCHLforum what it is today. To the relatively few that feel the need to constantly push the envelope, or blatantly ignore the forum rules, please reevaluate what you are posting. If you find the rules too restrictive, then perhaps TexasCHLforum is not for you.

Chas.

[KD5NRH]

Nope, any hit on income is a hit on income, no matter how small.

Yep. Look at how many high-volume restaurants will fall all over themselves to fix something for a customer whose purchases don't even amount to .01% of their daily business. Word of mouth is powerful advertising, and you never know for sure that the guy buying a soda today won't hook you up with a major catering job tomorrow. Annoy him, and he might call the health inspector instead.

[Lucky45]

Word of mouth is powerful advertising, and you never know for sure that the guy buying a soda today won't hook you up with a major catering job tomorrow. Annoy him, and he might call the health inspector instead.

I seen this before in my corporate training and know it does. But I hope everyone would stop TALKING ABOUT IT, and BE ABOUT IT. Start taking those $5 out of the register and see the change it would have. Instead of keep waltzing into the store and spending your money. I don't see that happen because the ones complaining are the same people steady going back. I want to hear that SOMEBODY TOLD ME there was still a sign, not that you saw it when going over and over again for a burrito.
That is my problem with the whole letter writing thing, you see they already have photocopies of the same response, so move on to next level. Don't buy.

[pbandjelly]

man, I was late coming home from work last night (flippin' rain...) and was hungry as a dog.
Coulda killed for a crunchy taco combo....

Went to Taco Bell and ate their puppy chow tacos, instead.

I'm thinkin' I'm going to go to TC and snatch their signs, and use them at the gun range





I'm joking, of course.

[pbandjelly]

JimBob: the other store in Lewisville (the one off of Main St, of which I spoke earlier) is the same way. Two small signs on door, no mas.

When this issue first came up (like, last summer, I think), I was of the opinion that it wasn't a big deal, their signs aren't legal, blah blah blah.
Over time, I see their point. They don't want me in their store.
Which is fine, because I can eat Puppy Chow at Taco Bell, or go to (It's More Bueno) Taco Bueno, or eat some real Mexican food down the road at one of those "hole-in-the-wall" joints.
If they lose $7+ from me (who eats on a 5-spot, really???), and never change their position, fine. They can have their Victim Zone.
me, I'll be at On The Border, eating a Big Bordurrito!

[nitrogen]

[Charles handled this part of my post much better than I did so i edited it out]

Now, back on topic.

Personally, I avoid any establishment that even posts an illegal sign. They don't want my dollars, so I won't give it to them. To me, it's intent that matters. If they want to have a self-defense free zone, I'll let them.
I have the "no gun-no money" cards I made up; and I might have to make up another set, focusing on self defense. If it's an establishment that I really want to try and push teh envelope with (Jason's Deli in Addison for instance) I might hand them a card.

If a business makes it clear how they feel, like Taco Cabana has, I think it makes more sense to just not eat there. Maybe make sure people you know understand why you don't eat there.

Having said that, I'm also glad some people take it a step further. I don't have the time, energy, or drive to mess around with these people. I'm glad SOMEBODY does. You never know who you might get to see the light of day. I understand Frys' Electronics used to post some sort of "no guns" signs; I don't see them anymore.

As my hippified father would say, "Come on people now! Smile on your brother, everybody get together, try and love one another right now!"

[razoraggie]

Charles,

Very well stated and that came across as diplomatically as could be.

And to Everyone,
Let me jump in with a few cents here: I've practically read EVERY post TXi has put up in this forum and found that nearly all of them are either giving a fellow poster a 100% factual answer or he is stating his "respected opinion" on the matter. Even though our topics tend to revolve around issues that relate to more factual based discussions, we do have the right to express our opinions in here. There is enough "nit-picking" of CHLers out in the world to last us 2 lifetimes...we should be very hesitant to redicule one of our own over a disageement of a stated opinion. I am all for debating with each other as long as we keep it on topic and respect the fact that we can state our thoughts without being ridiculed.
Excuse the little vent here, but I don't want to see this forum turn into a daycare where our moderators have to drop little reminders of our code of ethics every five minutes. We're all part of a huge family with similiar standards. Let's do our best to keep the air in here light and to just bite our tongues when our self control gets the best of us.

[O6nop]

Wow, my head is spinning just getting through the thread to this point. I hope this is on topic, and sensible... I think it is.

Why would we all think that only CHL's would turn away from a business posting a 30.06 sign? Lately, there has been a lot of press about "Gun Free Zones" and even non carry citizens are becoming aware of the danger of these. Passing on the word to non CHLs what a 30.06 sign means, may be enough to persuade people that it is a more dangerous place to eat than a "Illegal guns prohibited" sign. Educate your non-CHL friends what these signs mean and it could make a difference.

I don't eat at Taco Cabanas because I can live without it, and they have 30.06 signs.

[BoneDigger]

I thought about sending an e-mail and posting a link to this discussion so they could see how much we don't like being stepped on. But, given all the bickering going on her, I decided that maybe that would not be a good idea.

If TC does not want our business, go elsewhere. I won't waste my paper writing to them since they are obviously not going to waste their time with the CC issue.

Todd

[kw5kw]

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Why would we all think that only CHL's would turn away from a business posting a 30.06 sign? Lately, there has been a lot of press about "Gun Free Zones" and even non carry citizens are becoming aware of the danger of these. Passing on the word to non CHLs what a 30.06 sign means, may be enough to persuade people that it is a more dangerous place to eat than a "Illegal guns prohibited" sign. Educate your non-CHL friends what these signs mean and it could make a difference.

This has a ring of truth to it, any gun free zone now-a-day is an invitation to become a haven for criminals. CHL'ers and non-CHL'ers need to recognize this fact and become aware that the CHL'ers are the good guy's and not the criminals!

I don't eat at Taco Cabanas because I can live without it, and they have 30.06 signs.

I currently eat at Taco Cabana because one is right next door to my present employer and they give us a 10% discount. I can walk 30 yards get my food to go and I'm back at my desk within 10 minutes.

When I leave this job on May 9th to go to work for the DPS then I most likely will not ever step foot into one ever again.

Russ
kw5kw

[Lucky45]

If TC does not want our business, go elsewhere. I won't waste my paper writing to them since they are obviously not going to waste their time with the CC issue.

Todd

I appreciate your comments BoneDigger. I can already see that this discussion on a whole has changed the minds of many towards TC. I think I feel the vibe where many are starting to recognized that they are "wasting" time on 1 level and need to move on to the next level. You can choose to not purchase and tell your friends about it, etc and get that movement going. I cherish my concealed status.
I know it has been an emotional ride for some, but you can see that it is part of hashing out a debate and I think the moderators just have to tell some people when they are being emotional instead of rational on an issue. I try to be eloquent when posting but I can't help it if some get their feelings hurt. Just cowboy up! Everyone wishes that we could have a discussion without ticking anyone, but it seems to be a necessary evil as long as it does not get into cursing and name calling.
So lets hopefully continue future debates without unnecessary censorship people and keeps your feeling out of the debate. You will hear thing that you don't like and agree with and that is life.
If a person is wrong, tell them which part and the source to go find the info. And then stop repeating false info after it has been corrected. That irks me the most. You might not believe it, but it a fact until you can prove otherwise with a source.

[pbandjelly]

I currently eat at Taco Cabana

BLASPHEMY!!!!





I agree. I think there are some people who have just not thought about CHL stuff because it has never been brought up to them.
I was kind of this way a few years back. I turned 25, got a B92 for my birthday, and found out about all the glories of CHLness.
I have a buddy o' mine, he's 31. shot a handgun, maybe, just a few times in his life. I started telling him what I didn't like about ol' CabanRama. His exact words, "You know, I've just never really thought about it before."
opened that dude's eyes!

[snscott]

FWIW, I emailed my short complaint to them a few days ago and I just got the exact same response letter as the original poster. So, they have a form letter ready to go to reply to any CHL complaint.