Carry at holiday parties

[Cedar Park Dad]

And so it again comes to pass with topics of this sort, that we have entered the "fundamental" or personal rights vs property rights debate. I find it interesting that those who believe the RKBA is God-given and shall not be infringed are quick to ignore another fundamental right - the authority to control your own property, unless they're talking about their own property.

NOBODY said anything like what you just posted. You have the right to tell me not to carry. It is NOT my responsibility to ask you what is permitted on your property and what is not, as long as I am within the law, I am well within my rights and NOT trampling yours to control your property. Again, If I am not told to leave my gun home, I assume it is ok since carrying my concealed weapon is not only legal but a constitutional right.

You control your property alright but do you have a list of what is allowed on your property so I am not violating any secret rules? The only way your post works is if I am told not to carry on the property and do so anyway...which is a violation of the law.

In this instance, would they have to tell you specifically that you can't bring drugs into their house? How about legal pornography? Obamacare brochures?

Note I'm not really disagreeing with you in the real world, just looking at where the limits are in your policy for discussion's sake.

[03Lightningrocks]

It seems backwards to ask permission to exercise our right, regardless of who's home we are in.

You've got no RIGHT to even be allowed in anyones home never mind carrying a gun into it. Now I wouldn't ask permission because I don't advertise but if I knew there was an issue I wouldn't carry in a house I knew my gun was unwelcome. Now maybe that means I wouldn't go or maybe that means I disarm but there is never anything wrong with having a bit of courtesy or showing some respect for other regardless if we have differing beliefs.

If they invite me, yes I do. The topic involved being invited, not breaking and entering. This in turn takes me back to the entirety of my post, not one line taken out of context as if that was the whole concept of what I said. This isn't a duel. LOL. I find it reasonable to exercise my constitutional rights, without permission. Like I said in my post, if they don't want a gun in their home it is their responsibility to tell me not to bring it, not mine to ask permission. Do you ask permission before you speak in their home?

So in the instance I noted earlier, what if they have a sign at the door, that says no firearms without permission of owner?

Then I shoot the weiner dog.

J/K... I would respect the sign and do as thy ask me to do. If they directly say to me that they prefer not to have firearms in their house, I have to respect that and decide if I want to go in or not.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Then I shoot the weiner dog.

Wiener dogs are so short for just such a contingency. You have to bend down to reach them and then blamo, its all over for you...

J/K... I would respect the sign and do as thy ask me to do. If they directly say to me that they prefer not to have firearms in their house, I have to respect that and decide if I want to go in or not.

Very fair.

[03Lightningrocks]

And so it again comes to pass with topics of this sort, that we have entered the "fundamental" or personal rights vs property rights debate. I find it interesting that those who believe the RKBA is God-given and shall not be infringed are quick to ignore another fundamental right - the authority to control your own property, unless they're talking about their own property.

NOBODY said anything like what you just posted. You have the right to tell me not to carry. It is NOT my responsibility to ask you what is permitted on your property and what is not, as long as I am within the law, I am well within my rights and NOT trampling yours to control your property. Again, If I am not told to leave my gun home, I assume it is ok since carrying my concealed weapon is not only legal but a constitutional right.

You control your property alright but do you have a list of what is allowed on your property so I am not violating any secret rules? The only way your post works is if I am told not to carry on the property and do so anyway...which is a violation of the law.

In this instance, would they have to tell you specifically that you can't bring drugs into their house? How about legal pornography? Obamacare brochures?

Note I'm not really disagreeing with you in the real world, just looking at where the limits are in your policy for discussion's sake.

Again with the absurd. Drugs are illegal, unless it is prescription and I won't ask permission to take my legally prescribed drugs into the home. Porn? Obamacare brochures? LOL...if I had that on me, I wouldn't tell them about it. Unless they were hippies. But again, if they said to me, don't bring those items into my house, I would respect it.

What if they are PITA members? Do you ask if they mind you bringing your leather wallet in? Maybe they don't like boxer briefs. Should I ask what kind of briefs they allow. Of course all the items we are discussing here are a bit absurd, but the list could go on and on.

[03Lightningrocks]

I am loving this thread.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Again with the absurd. Drugs are illegal, unless it is prescription and I won't ask permission to take my legally prescribed drugs into the home. Porn? Obamacare brochures? LOL...if I had that on me, I wouldn't tell them about it. Unless they were hippies. But again, if they said to me, don't bring those items into my house, I would respect it.

Hey I did say I lived in Austin. Hippies still exist here...

[03Lightningrocks]

Again with the absurd. Drugs are illegal, unless it is prescription and I won't ask permission to take my legally prescribed drugs into the home. Porn? Obamacare brochures? LOL...if I had that on me, I wouldn't tell them about it. Unless they were hippies. But again, if they said to me, don't bring those items into my house, I would respect it.

Hey I did say I lived in Austin. Hippies still exist here...

My son went to UT. He graduated from there about six years ago. I think they almost turned him into a liberal. The place seemed like Kalifornia two, even back then. I always found it ironic that conservative money paid UT to make a run at brain washing my son into the liberal way of life. My fears are eased now. He graduated law school, got a real job, saw his tax deductions and immediately turned back into a conservative.

[Cedar Park Dad]

. He graduated law school, got a real job, saw his tax deductions and immediately turned back into a conservative.

That will do it.

[chasfm11]

I would be real careful not to let the church lady know about my gun. If she is that afraid of guns, rather than bad guys with guns, you can bet she would start a stink.

On the topic at hand. If the RKBA is truly a right, it seems to me everyone should assume we are all exercising that right and if they don't directly address my carrying on their property, neither will I. If an anti gun zealot is that worried about a gun, they should make it a point to inform every person that comes to their home that the practice of the right is not allowed. I don't see the need to get permission. It seems backwards to ask permission to exercise our right, regardless of who's home we are in.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone responding here is anti gun. And my comment was for anyone that cares to respond.

But that isn't the point either. If I understood correctly, the OP was not asking permission nor was I suggesting doing that. What I said was that my decision was voluntary and not driven by any legal requirement. If I elected to carry, I'm confident enough in my concealment that I could pull it off so this isn't about getting caught and being asked to leave either. It is about whether I personally feel any moral obligation not to carry because I know that the homeowner is adamantly opposed to it. You and I agree that if the person was passionate, they can give verbal notice to every possible party attendee and that pretty much seals the matter. The real question comes if they don't.

For me, it would be a very rare instance where I'm faced with the decision. 8 times out of 10, I'm not going to go to party at someone's house at all if I know that they are strongly anti-gun because I haven't found guns to be a singular point of disagreement with people who hold the anti-gun position. I can tick through 10 other topics on which we would probably disagree. I think it is pointless to go to a party at someone's house and to think that the weather was probably the only topic that I can safely discuss with them. But there are some parties which have a level of obligation to attend. Those are the ones that I would ponder. Do I blow off the obligation and not go? Do I go and, just because I can, carry? Or do I chose a different path? At the end of the day, it is only about me living with my own decision. All of us have different tolerance levels on that.

[03Lightningrocks]

I would be real careful not to let the church lady know about my gun. If she is that afraid of guns, rather than bad guys with guns, you can bet she would start a stink.

On the topic at hand. If the RKBA is truly a right, it seems to me everyone should assume we are all exercising that right and if they don't directly address my carrying on their property, neither will I. If an anti gun zealot is that worried about a gun, they should make it a point to inform every person that comes to their home that the practice of the right is not allowed. I don't see the need to get permission. It seems backwards to ask permission to exercise our right, regardless of who's home we are in.

Just for the record, I don't think anyone responding here is anti gun. And my comment was for anyone that cares to respond.

But that isn't the point either. If I understood correctly, the OP was not asking permission nor was I suggesting doing that. What I said was that my decision was voluntary and not driven by any legal requirement. If I elected to carry, I'm confident enough in my concealment that I could pull it off so this isn't about getting caught and being asked to leave either. It is about whether I personally feel any moral obligation not to carry because I know that the homeowner is adamantly opposed to it. You and I agree that if the person was passionate, they can give verbal notice to every possible party attendee and that pretty much seals the matter. The real question comes if they don't.

For me, it would be a very rare instance where I'm faced with the decision. 8 times out of 10, I'm not going to go to party at someone's house at all if I know that they are strongly anti-gun because I haven't found guns to be a singular point of disagreement with people who hold the anti-gun position. I can tick through 10 other topics on which we would probably disagree. I think it is pointless to go to a party at someone's house and to think that the weather was probably the only topic that I can safely discuss with them. But there are some parties which have a level of obligation to attend. Those are the ones that I would ponder. Do I blow off the obligation and not go? Do I go and, just because I can, carry? Or do I chose a different path? At the end of the day, it is only about me living with my own decision. All of us have different tolerance levels on that.

Very well put.

[Oldgringo]

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For me, it would be a very rare instance where I'm faced with the decision. 8 times out of 10, I'm not going to go to party at someone's house at all if I know that they are strongly anti-gun because I haven't found guns to be a singular point of disagreement with people who hold the anti-gun position. I can tick through 10 other topics on which we would probably disagree. I think it is pointless to go to a party at someone's house and to think that the weather was probably the only topic that I can safely discuss with them. But there are some parties which have a level of obligation to attend. Those are the ones that I would ponder. Do I blow off the obligation and not go? Do I go and, just because I can, carry? Or do I chose a different path? At the end of the day, it is only about me living with my own decision. All of us have different tolerance levels on that.

As said earlier, birds of a feather tend to flock together.

[LSUTiger]

I always carry at other peoples homes and other parties/events unless specifically asked not to (not that I ever was), and if I ever was asked to disarm, I would probably just leave. Unless I see a 30.06 sign, Im carrying. I treat the situation like going into any business or other private property. Don't ask, don't tell.

Most people who know me are liked minded and know that I am a firearms enthusisiast ("gun nut" just sounds bad) and know Im carrying. I go to their homes and they never ask me a thing about it.

One time the subject of guns and gun control came up while at my house while entertaining some sheeple relatives of mine and the conversation ended pretty quickly when I lifted up my shirt and showed them what I had underneath. (No comment about my fat belly please, I'm sensitive about it. ) So now they know, and whats funny is that I've been to their house several time since and they have never mentioned it again. Silence = Permission in my book until otherwise informed.

I have one Uncle who always asks to see what gun I'm carrying when I go to his house.

[RKirkwood]

Like many others if I'm going to have a drink I don't carry. When I go to family gathering I generally lock in up in the truck. All (well most) of the family shoot but are not as disciplined as I would like.

[03Lightningrocks]

Like many others if I'm going to have a drink I don't carry. When I go to family gathering I generally lock in up in the truck. All (well most) of the family shoot but are not as disciplined as I would like.

If that is a way of saying that some of your family members have been know to act like hillbillies, I can relate.... and then there was that thanksgiving dinner 20 years ago that is still being talked about.

[tbrown]

If I was invited to the party, I think that counts as "effective consent" in most cases. However, if there was any doubt in my mind, I would skip the party and go somewhere I'm welcome.